anyone have problems with TOLOZINE reverser?

Jack,



I used a new bottle of Tolazine and one of mine was pretty slow to reverse. However, I did another one at the same time and she came back quickly so I guess I cannot draw any conclusions as to whether or not the new bottle was less effective than previous bottles.

Jack, If you do not like my responses, don't use any of my advise. I never implied you used telazol, just stated it was common to do so and the issues doing it. If you are asking for dosage rates without reading the bottle, then you deserved the duh!

We tried tolazine and had too many deer not waking up or waking up quickly but dying later. We have stopped using it.

I Agee with Jack. All he did was ask for us help with his questions and our past experiences with Tolozaline Not for Smartass answers. If you read the box it will also tell you for use in horses only. I have seen way to many people on here being that exact way when all the others did was ask questions. I sure didn't know everything when I started raising deer. And I STILL don't!! So I guess I get a DUH too. Jack I have never had any problems with Tolozaline. I use it with single....double & triple strength Xylazine. But all my deer do not react the same. You might call the people at Dorneyville Compounding Pharmacy in Pa. 610-437-4600 Hope this helps ya out.

Jack,

I also use telazol at times also. It just depends on which of my deer I am working with...what I am doing and the time of year even. Lots of variables. But I never give more than 3 cc's of reverser only 2 cc's usually. As Always..... Just what works for us.

You can look back and search my posts for the last 10 years and you will find my demeanor has actually softened. I have 6112 documented sedations of over 30 species. If ur thin skinned don't ask foradvise in a public forum.

Scott, I have had my moments on here as well........I have said things That i shouldn't of.........yes, you have a wealth of knowledge with out a doubt.....but sometimes it's best to leave the sarcasim out of a response...especially when someone is simply asking for help.......just saying.....that's what these forums are for ..asking questions.....we don't want people to hold back from asking a certain question that might save their deer for fear they may get a sarcastic answer...that's all.....

What can I say Dennis..........I'm a sarcastic guy.....Just saying

Your a bright guy Scott......we all know it.....we appreciate your input....but we all make a hiccup once in a while....just takes a man to admit it no matter how smart you are......just saying.......

Well i can see Scott going by the way of Robbie,Billie-Jo and a couple others that gave their great help on here! Thats to bad!

Mike you are a piece of work.....that's all I'm going to say on that last comment.....

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Mike you are a piece of work.....that's all I'm going to say on that last comment.....

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Thanks buddy!! I guess we will see huh?

I am no expert, but I can relay this one story. I have a relative that is a vet. He is not located too close to us, so he's not our regular vet. He gives me a bottle of Tolazoline one day and says I can have it if I want to try it. A client of his said it didn't work (on deer)- they just wouldn't wake up. The guy apparently wasn't a newby with deer, either. I figure I will find out quickly if the guy is right or not. We have used that bottle on at least a dozen sedations since with no problems. I have no idea what the deal was.

I guess the moral of the story is that tranquilizations (at least with Xylazine/Telazol reversed with Tolazoline) are situations that don't always look exactly the same from one time to the next. Heck I thought I killed a buck last fall with a normal dose of 6:1 (100mg X) cocktail (respiration stopped a couple times- compressions to the chest seemed to kick him back in gear), yet he was good to go in normal time once reversed. This year we had a similar size buck that needed topped off after a healthy dose of the same strength cocktail (almost twice the total dosage) just to get him sleeping. Neither were especially tame or wild.

I am basically decided that we are going to order a couple kits of BAM if our vet doesn't wring a zillion dollars out of us to write the scrip. I like the predictability that I hear about regarding BAM. Also, the price of telazol is disgusting in this area.

yeah I got your back Mike....buddy!

jeff23..... I agree I had a hard lesson learned this year with losing my breeder buck a few days ago....BAM is definitely in my plans in the future....don't ever what to go through the mess this year again....But I've been told I brought it upon myself...LOL!

I have decided. I can no longer give advice on this forum. I was just about to tell you all about BAM. Bye

Hey I hear ya Scott ! I used to give advice on here allot too but try not to these days . You just can't please everyone ! You guys will encounter problems will BAM to once you use it enough , it's just the way things go sometimes . Nothing will work perfect ALL the time !

BAM is not perfect, just ALOT better. I've moved hundreds of deer with it and have not had any problems yet. I know each animal is different and fully expect to encounter one who may have adverse effects but the fact that BAM is able to be immediately reversed should prove beneficial.

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Hey I hear ya Scott ! I used to give advice on here allot too but try not to these days . You just can't please everyone ! You guys will encounter problems will BAM to once you use it enough , it's just the way things go sometimes . Nothing will work perfect ALL the time !

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I've used the straight Medetomidine( the M in BAM) for eight years and the closest I've come to a problem is having to dose one wild hellion doe twice. It COMPLETELY reverses in minutes, most deer are standing in under five minutes. I personally believe that BAM is 100X safer than Rompum and when one figures in the cost of losing a good deer I believe it is cheaper also.

Scott, get well ya grumpy old farte and keep coming with the advise, experience beats the hail out of book larnin.....



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