Apple creek is not only a respectable Farm and their transparency shows this.....but is by far the Model every Deer Farm should try to follow.........their animals and customers are their top priority as they should be......the Farm is run by a man who has strong Christian morals and I know first hand he runs his farm with his faith leading his decisions! That says it all. Why anyone would question someone's timing, for announcing their decision, to do what they had to do regarding their quarantine is ridiculous! I agree Virgil, some things and some people will never change. Why do certain people always think there is a malicious intent to what everyone does or says? Hats off to you Apple Creek for doing what all Reputable Farms should be doing that are affected by the trace backs!!
This is the problem with our whole CWD program:
The CWD program can be compared to the Salem Witch Trials. There they drowned the witch, to prove she was not a witch. We all see how that worked out !!! Why is that any different than our program, where we have to kill a deer to prove it doesn't have CWD. We need a live test !!!!!
We have to thank Jim Moses for donating 5% of his Top 30 sales to the live test fund. Hope this catches on.
On a very, very good note, Keith Warren raised enough money at the Top 30, to do a new updated version of "The Truth of CWD". Keith has done a great job for us and be sure to drop him a note and thank him. These programs he puts out on CWD, have been great for us, and are making the antis mad. The truth needs to get out there. The science is on our side. He told me it would be on TV several times, and he was also going to do one on "fair chase" hunting.
Gary Olson
The CWD program can be compared to the Salem Witch Trials. There they drowned the witch, to prove she was not a witch. We all see how that worked out !!! Why is that any different than our program, where we have to kill a deer to prove it doesn't have CWD. We need a live test !!!!!
We have to thank Jim Moses for donating 5% of his Top 30 sales to the live test fund. Hope this catches on.
On a very, very good note, Keith Warren raised enough money at the Top 30, to do a new updated version of "The Truth of CWD". Keith has done a great job for us and be sure to drop him a note and thank him. These programs he puts out on CWD, have been great for us, and are making the antis mad. The truth needs to get out there. The science is on our side. He told me it would be on TV several times, and he was also going to do one on "fair chase" hunting.
Gary Olson
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G O Whitetails896921389475973
This is the problem with our whole CWD program:
The CWD program can be compared to the Salem Witch Trials. There they drowned the witch, to prove she was not a witch. We all see how that worked out !!! Why is that any different than our program, where we have to kill a deer to prove it doesn't have CWD. We need a live test !!!!!
We have to thank Jim Moses for donating 5% of his Top 30 sales to the live test fund. Hope this catches on.
On a very, very good note, Keith Warren raised enough money at the Top 30, to do a new updated version of "The Truth of CWD". Keith has done a great job for us and be sure to drop him a note and thank him. These programs he puts out on CWD, have been great for us, and are making the antis mad. The truth needs to get out there. The science is on our side. He told me it would be on TV several times, and he was also going to do one on "fair chase" hunting.
Gary Olson
How cool is that. Does not surprise me coming from a guy the likes of Jim Moses. How about the the sale on the Exchange right now. I have a straw of Romeo up for grabs next week. I dont think 5% off the top of that sale would kill me! Maybe Todd, or anybody really that can get names and emails, can send out emails asking for 5% of their take in Next weeks sale. I know alot of the owners of those those lots have helped the industry many times and im sure would again.
This is the problem with our whole CWD program:
The CWD program can be compared to the Salem Witch Trials. There they drowned the witch, to prove she was not a witch. We all see how that worked out !!! Why is that any different than our program, where we have to kill a deer to prove it doesn't have CWD. We need a live test !!!!!
We have to thank Jim Moses for donating 5% of his Top 30 sales to the live test fund. Hope this catches on.
On a very, very good note, Keith Warren raised enough money at the Top 30, to do a new updated version of "The Truth of CWD". Keith has done a great job for us and be sure to drop him a note and thank him. These programs he puts out on CWD, have been great for us, and are making the antis mad. The truth needs to get out there. The science is on our side. He told me it would be on TV several times, and he was also going to do one on "fair chase" hunting.
Gary Olson
How cool is that. Does not surprise me coming from a guy the likes of Jim Moses. How about the the sale on the Exchange right now. I have a straw of Romeo up for grabs next week. I dont think 5% off the top of that sale would kill me! Maybe Todd, or anybody really that can get names and emails, can send out emails asking for 5% of their take in Next weeks sale. I know alot of the owners of those those lots have helped the industry many times and im sure would again.
In the farming world, we had check-off's for about everything. Our dairy, beef, hogs, corn, and soybeans. I wouldn't mind a check-off on deer I sold at sales, if it went into a "war or research chest". God knows we will need it.
Gary
Gary
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What if each State had a "CHECK OFF" Program were EVERY Buck sold generated $100. ? What IF Breeder sells to a Preserve that breeder Donates $100. from his check for each buck sold. Each Preserve donates $100. from each Buck bought and Preserve adds $100. to each Hunter that harvest a Buck ?
$300. generated Every Time a Buck is SOLD? Breeder,Preserve and Customers ALL working for the "Product".............WE ALL LOVE to Raise,Sell and Hunt ?
That way the "Donation" to help each State is evenly distributed to ALL ?
How BIG could that "WAR CHEST" get ??
$300. generated Every Time a Buck is SOLD? Breeder,Preserve and Customers ALL working for the "Product".............WE ALL LOVE to Raise,Sell and Hunt ?
That way the "Donation" to help each State is evenly distributed to ALL ?
How BIG could that "WAR CHEST" get ??
Well my question for the group is how do we implement this? I have seen great ideas just kinda loose steam over time.... Who do we contact who is gonna head our fight for us? I like the idea of doe hunt give aways to folks who otherwise would be against us until they see what the real deal is. I love the idea of taking a percentage off the top or an amount from everyone involved in the sale of a buck to fund what needs desperately funded in our industry! I feel we need positive PR and a positive position with each and every State. I obviously don't have the answers but I'm on board!
Memory Lane Farms,
NADeFA comes to mind as an organization that might be willing to head this movement to raise funds and promote the cervid industry. They seemed to be the largest organization we have and their only interest is cervids. They're not obligated to other farmed animals and exotics. The elk association only has a couple hundred members and the exotic association is spread pretty thin over dozens of other species. This check-off type fund raiser could certainly raise the funds needed for research and even legal battles.
NADeFA comes to mind as an organization that might be willing to head this movement to raise funds and promote the cervid industry. They seemed to be the largest organization we have and their only interest is cervids. They're not obligated to other farmed animals and exotics. The elk association only has a couple hundred members and the exotic association is spread pretty thin over dozens of other species. This check-off type fund raiser could certainly raise the funds needed for research and even legal battles.
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Autry897051389537080
Memory Lane Farms,
NADeFA comes to mind as an organization that might be willing to head this movement to raise funds and promote the cervid industry. They seemed to be the largest organization we have and their only interest is cervids. They're not obligated to other farmed animals and exotics. The elk association only has a couple hundred members and the exotic association is spread pretty thin over dozens of other species. This check-off type fund raiser could certainly raise the funds needed for research and even legal battles.
I would disagree. I believe there would need to be an group of members made.(All cervid producers that use any auction sites for any deer sales) Then there would need to be a secretary in charge of over seeing all monies made and made sure was put into a fund. When money was needed there would be a vote of such by the members as to where any money was spent. Kinda like ACA but not just with 1 leader of states Assoc having a vote. All paying members would have a vote.
Or something like that. I dont think a group should be in charge of our money. We all have a say.
Memory Lane Farms,
NADeFA comes to mind as an organization that might be willing to head this movement to raise funds and promote the cervid industry. They seemed to be the largest organization we have and their only interest is cervids. They're not obligated to other farmed animals and exotics. The elk association only has a couple hundred members and the exotic association is spread pretty thin over dozens of other species. This check-off type fund raiser could certainly raise the funds needed for research and even legal battles.
I would disagree. I believe there would need to be an group of members made.(All cervid producers that use any auction sites for any deer sales) Then there would need to be a secretary in charge of over seeing all monies made and made sure was put into a fund. When money was needed there would be a vote of such by the members as to where any money was spent. Kinda like ACA but not just with 1 leader of states Assoc having a vote. All paying members would have a vote.
Or something like that. I dont think a group should be in charge of our money. We all have a say.
'lucida sans unicode', 'lucida grande', Would 10 investors be willing to put up $20,000 to fund and develop CWD blood test? Could CWD blood test be protected by patent? Would their be enough demand to recoup investment and receive profit? Post your thoughts or if you would like to review in private feel free to contact me [email protected]
Does this check off system apply to all sales including privayte off the farm or just auction sales?
Scott,
You have my attention! My question is what do you have in mind? How is $20,000.00 enough to actually fund and develop a CWD test?
You have my attention! My question is what do you have in mind? How is $20,000.00 enough to actually fund and develop a CWD test?
Memory Lane Farms897121389540011
Scott,
You have my attention! My question is what do you have in mind? How is $20,000.00 enough to actually fund and develop a CWD test
$20,000 each of 10 investors would give the base to fund CWD blood test and legal to seek patent.
Scott,
You have my attention! My question is what do you have in mind? How is $20,000.00 enough to actually fund and develop a CWD test
$20,000 each of 10 investors would give the base to fund CWD blood test and legal to seek patent.
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Josh897111389539682
Does this check off system apply to all sales including privayte off the farm or just auction sales?
All sales if there would be a way but i believe that would be tough. I thought just the auctions and the weekly exchange auctions would get a good base of people in our industry. If there was a way to get all sales then by all means!
Does this check off system apply to all sales including privayte off the farm or just auction sales?
All sales if there would be a way but i believe that would be tough. I thought just the auctions and the weekly exchange auctions would get a good base of people in our industry. If there was a way to get all sales then by all means!
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Applecreek Scott897131389540521
$20,000 each of 10 investors would give the base to fund CWD blood test and legal to seek patent.
That would be awesome Scott but then you are back to the 10% doing something for this industry. If we could get the same amount out of say 500 people in the industry it may play out a bit better! Either way this test needs to get done to bury this once and for all.
$20,000 each of 10 investors would give the base to fund CWD blood test and legal to seek patent.
That would be awesome Scott but then you are back to the 10% doing something for this industry. If we could get the same amount out of say 500 people in the industry it may play out a bit better! Either way this test needs to get done to bury this once and for all.
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Markleville IN
The researches need 120K for this next go around to get us more #'s. My understanding they are just wrapping up on a paper on how quickly prions show up in the blood after exposure, which is also very important and will tell us how often a herd that has CWD should be retested.
There are still some unknowns until Laurie talks to Dr Clifford. He can give her a better idea of how many more #'s we need for approval of the live test and how it should be implemented.
He has been unavailable over the holidays. Scott, Laurie is who you need to talk to. I will be on the committee for the live test with the ACA,but everything is just unfolding.
There are still some unknowns until Laurie talks to Dr Clifford. He can give her a better idea of how many more #'s we need for approval of the live test and how it should be implemented.
He has been unavailable over the holidays. Scott, Laurie is who you need to talk to. I will be on the committee for the live test with the ACA,but everything is just unfolding.
Joined May 2009
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Chillicothe, Missouri
Whitetail Sanctuary896951389485844
What if each State had a "CHECK OFF" Program were EVERY Buck sold generated $100. ? What IF Breeder sells to a Preserve that breeder Donates $100. from his check for each buck sold. Each Preserve donates $100. from each Buck bought and Preserve adds $100. to each Hunter that harvest a Buck ?
$300. generated Every Time a Buck is SOLD? Breeder,Preserve and Customers ALL working for the "Product".............WE ALL LOVE to Raise,Sell and Hunt ?
That way the "Donation" to help each State is evenly distributed to ALL ?
How BIG could that "WAR CHEST" get ??
I believe this type "Check Off" would be easier to Police...............You Know number of preserves,You know number of producers,You know number of hunters...........Everything could be verified through each States Ag,DNR ect as to health papers for transport and would place finacial burden on ALL not just the backs of a few ? Be less of "ME Or WE did this and MORE of The Industry united did THIS TOGETHER"!
Transparency ?
Have we had enough of a self serving perception of our Industry ...........?
IF we had a Blood Test.......................Would we be MORE likely of finding CWD in a game of Russian Roulete ? Because EVERY time you tested you farm and animals LIVES would be on the line ? Yes? No ?
What if each State had a "CHECK OFF" Program were EVERY Buck sold generated $100. ? What IF Breeder sells to a Preserve that breeder Donates $100. from his check for each buck sold. Each Preserve donates $100. from each Buck bought and Preserve adds $100. to each Hunter that harvest a Buck ?
$300. generated Every Time a Buck is SOLD? Breeder,Preserve and Customers ALL working for the "Product".............WE ALL LOVE to Raise,Sell and Hunt ?
That way the "Donation" to help each State is evenly distributed to ALL ?
How BIG could that "WAR CHEST" get ??
I believe this type "Check Off" would be easier to Police...............You Know number of preserves,You know number of producers,You know number of hunters...........Everything could be verified through each States Ag,DNR ect as to health papers for transport and would place finacial burden on ALL not just the backs of a few ? Be less of "ME Or WE did this and MORE of The Industry united did THIS TOGETHER"!
Transparency ?
Have we had enough of a self serving perception of our Industry ...........?
IF we had a Blood Test.......................Would we be MORE likely of finding CWD in a game of Russian Roulete ? Because EVERY time you tested you farm and animals LIVES would be on the line ? Yes? No ?
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Vaughn, MT 59487
I've been in this business for over thirty year. I'm all for a live test and will support it as it will help the industry.
After watching how the agencies work I do see a problem also coming our way when we have a live test that the industry will have to try to get control of. Just like the agencies did many years ago when they had the authority they made all farms test for TB. TB was the disease they used many years ago against the industry. It will be the same for CWD but our problem will come when the agencies make it a test every year because of the long time before the prions become a full blown disease. We will have to test our herds every year for CWD and even though we will do this they will only call us monitored herds and never will they call us a certified herd free of CWD. Again this will cost producers more money but over time as people get used to CWD and the fact it can't be controlled in the wild and like TB, CWD will fade away and the agencies will not be able to hold this over our heads as they are doing now.
The answer to Wayne's question is yes to both of them. But if you could test yourself out of CWD in less than five years and at least be able to sell to the harvest markets you might be better off than just killing them without any payment for their distruction. A live test does increase the ability of finding a CWD animal as all animals in your herd will be tested not just ones that die or are harvested.
After watching how the agencies work I do see a problem also coming our way when we have a live test that the industry will have to try to get control of. Just like the agencies did many years ago when they had the authority they made all farms test for TB. TB was the disease they used many years ago against the industry. It will be the same for CWD but our problem will come when the agencies make it a test every year because of the long time before the prions become a full blown disease. We will have to test our herds every year for CWD and even though we will do this they will only call us monitored herds and never will they call us a certified herd free of CWD. Again this will cost producers more money but over time as people get used to CWD and the fact it can't be controlled in the wild and like TB, CWD will fade away and the agencies will not be able to hold this over our heads as they are doing now.
The answer to Wayne's question is yes to both of them. But if you could test yourself out of CWD in less than five years and at least be able to sell to the harvest markets you might be better off than just killing them without any payment for their distruction. A live test does increase the ability of finding a CWD animal as all animals in your herd will be tested not just ones that die or are harvested.
Mike Kerry,
Your post from 9:04am yesterday sounds good but it would mean starting with a new team, inexperienced, unproven and no track record, but I do like the concept. If we're going to start with an unproved team, we might consider ACA. While they have not yet improved the industry, I think they may in a year or two if they continue to press forward.
Your post from 9:04am yesterday sounds good but it would mean starting with a new team, inexperienced, unproven and no track record, but I do like the concept. If we're going to start with an unproved team, we might consider ACA. While they have not yet improved the industry, I think they may in a year or two if they continue to press forward.
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