Bam II

Sam, we used BAM 2 on 4 does, so far no fawns (today is 208 days) our Turning Point yearling has damaged his antlers 4 times so far so we ordered some the other day and Bam has changed again this year. 


 


Travis

I used it on two Lap AI does.  First one had twin Dakota Doublewide Buck Fawns.  The second has Gladiator XL in her and I'm still waiting...she looks fat but I'm not sure if she took or not.  I will be sick if she didn't.

I have heard a bunch of guys that had a terrible year for AI. 95% of the guys are below 50%

I didn't use bam to AI but I'm 90% this year and 100% last year.  I guess I can't complain.  Sorry to hear the low %'s on AI. 

Thanks Sam, didn't do LAP, we did cervical I split a straw of Hitman and Eye Appeal.  My builders were behind so we had to dart them twice.  I don't know if it was BAM or darting or semen quality.  I was told the semen quality looked great, AI tech and Mom looked at it in microscope.  I'm planning on AI-ing 20 next year so I am extremely worried but barn is finished so there wont be any more darting.  I'm tempted to slow down the breeding operation, finish preserve and breed with cheap enough semen I can do it myself and not be hurt if I am only 50% successful then turn them all loose in preserve as yearlings until I am good enough I'm comfortable with doing AI myself.  I wish the industry would move towards 1/4cc 25-30.  I would much rather use a single 1/4cc straw that cost half as much as I would feel I have to split 3-4 ways to feel like it is worth the investment.

I used bam and my AI is about 80%. Same as last year with telazol.

We used Bam on our A.I. The past three years. We have gotten 70% or better the first two years and this year looks to be at least 70%.

I know that we all want early fawns, and that influences AI dates, but you may want to consider moving your AI'ing a little later to coincide with the rutting season. Two years ago, we, and another farm that work together,  AI'd on Oct. 27 and 28. Can't remember for sure what the total success rate was for the other farm, but we hit 2 of 4 here. This past year, we moved the date to Oct. 1 and 2 and hit 5 of 7 on our farm and 14 of 16 at the other farm. It doesn't seem like much of a change, just 4 days, but I can tell you we will not AI in Oct. again. By the way, all AI was ******l and done by Pdaddy's crew.

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I know that we all want early fawns, and that influences AI dates, but you may want to consider moving your AI'ing a little later to coincide with the rutting season. Two years ago, we, and another farm that work together,  AI'd on Oct. 27 and 28. Can't remember for sure what the total success rate was for the other farm, but we hit 2 of 4 here. This past year, we moved the date to Oct. 1 and 2 and hit 5 of 7 on our farm and 14 of 16 at the other farm. It doesn't seem like much of a change, just 4 days, but I can tell you we will not AI in Oct. again. By the way, all AI was ******l and done by Pdaddy's crew.




Steve, I've been thinking about this the past few days but i'm a bit perplexed on how to know what is the natural date without experimenting for years.  I may just be ignorant, but hopefully someone can explain this.  How do you know what the natural AI date is when you have deer from all over the country?  In some places bucks are chasing does Mid October others Mid January.  What do guys in Alabama do where the rut is naturally in January?  Do they see their live breed does that have been crossed with northern genetics being breed earlier?  Will crossing lines from different parts of the country effect the natural date?  One of my live breed does from MN fawned 2 days ago, one from PA 2 days prior and another from PA last night.  My does that missed AI all look breed and they were put in with a backup 19 days after AI so they naturally came in heat sometime after November 22nd. 

Truth

I have read some studies on this and I don't recall the details. The summary of what do I remember is that when moved to a completely different geographical area the whitetails breeding schedule and habits will soon adapt to the new environment to which they were moved. In the study some deer were moved to very diverse environments including some tropical island types. I don't recall how quickly they said the doe's estrus cycles moved to correspond with the weather and season change. I am certain that the study said they did move. I think one article on this subject I read may have been in an old TDA magazine.

I live in South Alabama where the natural rut is the last of January or first week of February. We have moved our breeding back two weeks a year. We are now at January 1st. Gone well so far. I have a neighbor that moved his all the way to mid November with good results.

Truth, I am only going on what I see as the heat of the rut in my area, and when we begin seeing fawns in the spring. It is all a guess, but hopefully an educated guess. I hope Pdaddy enters into this discussion since he is in LA and has does in his herd from several areas of the country and can give us northerners a unique perspective on what he sees happening on his farm with these does. We may have just gotten lucky this year with our AI, but it seems like something made a difference. Now, for a change of pace, what are everyone's thoughts about the buck/doe ratio with AI'ing? The reason I ask is that we have been very heavy on the doe fawn side lately. Last year we had 17 doe fawns and 10 buck fawns. But our AI does gave us 3 buck fawns and 1 doe fawn. This year we are 6/3 buck fawns again from AI. Is this just luck or are bucks more likely from Ai'ing?

Pure luck. Mine was the opposite. 7 doe fawns, 2 buck fawns.

We always lean more towards more doe fawns than buck fawns when we AI.


Last year we had 100% take that we AIed, We had 9 does and 3 bucks.

Deer chaser, from our perspective here in Louisiana we have imported over 200 does to our farm from Ohio, pa, Indiana, Missouri and Iowa. We have been doing this for about eight years. We have an Ai company , so we can Ai our does anytime we want. We have found limited success in moving up northern does in our environment . In fact, we have found just the opposite than you would think, our northern girls actually want to come into estrous later than they would have if they had been up north. We realized this when we had a lesser percentage of success with our Ai than we had for similar does for our clients on Ohio, Indiana, pa and Missouri. We gave now moved our northern does back two weeks ( we Ai them around November 17th and have experience a much higher percentage of conception . Curiously, the longer a northern stays in our southern environment, the later she wants to be bred. I really think that the does a more sensitive to environmental stress factors than we realize. Btw, we were 90% on our northern does doing cervical Ai on November 17th( we sit straws also). Our advice to clients is simple, concentrate more on conception and less on early fawn births. Btw, we Ai our southern does in mid December , that includes native Louisiana and native Mississippi does.

Pdaddy, Thanks for the insight.  So far only 3 of my does that were live breed have fawned would put them being breed from November 10-13th assuming 198 days.  One was bought breed in MN the other 2 were moved from PA and were with my buck from October 1st until January.  Will be interesting to see how spread out their fawning dates are when all is said and done.  The northern does coming in later when moved to the south sounds fairly logical to me as they are moved to milder winters.