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Body size of bucks

Joined Apr 2009
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Vaughn, MT 59487
The deer industry has made great strides in antler development. In fact it would appear we have advanced our antler size past the point where the bucks are neck muscled up enough to support their antler size as it grows and still be comfortable.



It would seem there is only one answer to the cure for this new problem our breeding for antler size has caused. Is it as simple as increasing bucks body size as we continue breeding for larger antler size?



I personally believe the breeding problem caused by our emphasis on antler size can be cured by adding equal emphasis on increasing body size of these bucks as part of our breeding program direction.



When we had 200 inch deer most bucks were of the body size of 200 pounds to 250 pounds and most still are that body size but with more antler.



My question if you feel size of buck deer should be increased by selective breeding for that trait to help our large antlered deer live a more comfortable life is what should a 300 inch deer weigh? What should a 400 inch buck weigh? Or is there another answer to increase neck muscle we should be breeding for?



My personal opinion is every inch of deer requires one pound of weight.

300 inch deer= 300 pound deer

400 inch deer= 400 pound deer



I must admit I don’t know the body weight of the big antlered bucks that have had some problem in this area so my thoughts could be wrong here. I’m sure if they are I will be corrected. Just a thought on this nothing more.
 
You may be onto something there Jack. However, when the yearling are pushing that 300 inch mark are you going to get 300 lb yearlings? That would be putting their mature weight at 500-600 lbs. We have quite a ways to go on that front. But it's definately an intresting point. Does anyone bred for body size out there?
 
I am all for a bigger body and I know this is something that is just as possible as big antlers . Lets see some pics of your exceptional bodied bucks and does . I cant post mine at the moment as I am in southern France right now on vacation and cant post pics at the moment but can tell you all I am a rock star here because I bow hunt and raise deer . The hunters here are just as interested in body size of our deer as their antlers and they show a lot of interest in coming to the US to hunt . Jim
 
Here are a couple pictures of Arty. The doe infront of him is a normal 3 year old doe. Arty is the largest deer I have ever seen.
 

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Just curious if any of the does are also large from Arty breeding. I would be interested if it carries through to the does also. Thanks.
 
Now that's what I'm talking about..... what is Autrys genetics and tell us about his back round and offspring , age ,ect. Jim
 
Jack said:
Just curious if any of the does are also large from Arty breeding. I would be interested if it carries through to the does also. Thanks.



I'm sure Arty sons and daughters are big bodied.



Seems to me that sons of Ace throw big bodied deer. I have an Amos doe and a doe out of Andy (another Ace son) and they big bodied. They pass that on to their sons and daughters too.



Jim, Arty is 3 years old, out of Maxbo and Green #43. Green #43 is an Amos daughter and the dam is Orange #6, Amos' sister.
 
I've personally Carried Ridgeline (not by myself) And he is a flat out hog!!! I would never want to guess his live weight. But it all stems from thunder who was big bodied. Avalanche was huge.....Took the biggest form McKenzie makes plus 2 inches of clay to get the form big enough for him. I have an Avalanche Son and he dwarfs the others not only is he big bodied but inches taller than the rest!!!
 
Thanks Gaylen , Well, that is some good information about size and the names are of good stock that could be easily be infused into herds to improve body size. We are doing our best to have bigger and bigger antlers to impress our preserve hunters, the consumer and price setter in the end for our animals, so improving body size to impress them also would seem to be another way to bring more hunters to use our product. I know like dogs , bigger deer would eat more feed , but if it brought an advantage to sales , we would still do it to advantage ourselves in business . I know I was at Harry Yoder's once picking up some fawns and he had a huge buck ,body wise , and it held my attention as much as the large racks on his other bucks. I have some bucks that are bodied larger that others and people , hunters , general public , always comment on this. Sometimes being so close to a subject , our deer , we don't see everything that impresses the normal ,everyday person or hunter. We focus mainly on the head gear . The buck forms a large portion of his rack from the minerals in his skeleton and a larger skeleton would mean an improved chance to advance to the next level on antler growth. This subject is as interesting to me as going for huge , typical antler size instead of multi-point racks with huge total inches and is as attainable as any physical thing that is focused on by a breeder. I say giddy up !!!! Jim
 
If we know that certain bucks throw big bodies, what bucks should we avoid as chronically throwing small bodies? Since I have a shooting preserve, body size is a big part of the kill for us. Alot of our hunters are from Texas and would like to have an opportunity at a 300 lb animal. If they came to Northern Missouri to hunt and shot a 150 -180 lb deer, it would be kind of a waste for them in a sense. I don't want to bad mouth anybody at all, but would like to know. I have seen some deer that looked pretty small in pics, but frankly on the forums most of the deer are 1 and 2 years old. We shoot 3 and 4 year olds- quite a different looking animal when more mature like that.
 
I can tell you for a fact the largest bodied deer I have seen in this market today both buck and doe are from the RDM Goliath line.......if you don't believe me go visit their farm and see for yourself.....thier animals out of Goliath have simply huge bodies....and their antlers are nothing to shake a stick at either. I have both Goliath doe and buck on my farm and they by far make the others look small!!
 
I'm going to breed for smaller bodied deer to make my antlers look bigger! HAHA. jk



But our biggest yearling, Tim McGraw, has a huge body. I haven't seen many yearlings as large as him in person. He is really big! I'd guess nearly 200 lbs. It makes his rack look small. He could fit in with any two year old pen. He is just much larger bodied most of our other yearlings. If I didn't raise him myself I would be questioning his age. I guess there are just some deer that have a gene that makes them extremly efficient at turning feed into tissue.



Timberjack is very large as well. 21" ears from tip to tip.
 
body size takes longer to reach it's full potential,it's a steady process that is the combination of food ,genetics and time. We hunted a 7 year old buck last year that weighed in at 435 lbs, he was 7 feet ,nose to hind quarters. he was also one of those "watermelon head" bucks