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Colorado Wildlife Official: No Evidence of CWD Impact on Wild Population

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From the American Cervid Alliance Newsroom

September 13, 2013



Colorado Wildlife Official: No Evidence of CWD Impact on Wild Population


Testimony during Iowa CWD Hearing Claims No Proof Exists linking Long-Term Affects



Last month, during hearings between Tom & Rhonda Brakke and the Iowa Department of Agriculture & Land Stewardship, several expert witnesses testified concerning the origin and proven effects of CWD. Dr. Michael Miller, Senior Wildlife Veterinarian for Colorado Division of Parks and Wildlife, in his testimony as an expert witness for the State of Iowa, states that there is no proven origin of CWD. In further testimony he says that there is no evidence to prove CWD has had any real impact on free-ranging cervids.



His remarks come during a time when several political battles rage in states such as Missouri, Louisiana, and New York, which are considering closing their borders because of alleged fear that CWD will completely devastate their free-ranging deer populations. Florida closed its borders this past Friday after the Florida Fish and Game Commission Passed a unanimous emergency order closing the Florida borders to the importation of CWD susceptible cervids. In all these states it is the wildlife agencies that are promoting these fears.



Below are excerpts taken from the hearing transcript in Iowa, which are public record.



Dr. Michael Miller, Senior Wildlife Veterinarian for Colorado Division of Parks and Wildlife: Testimony on August 14, 2013, Under Oath:




Question asked by Jacob Larsen, Iowa Assistant Attorney General: “And what has been the impact on the herd, overall herd, from the infection rate?”

Answer by Dr Michael Miller: “Overall, at a large scale, so at a population level it's been difficult to demonstrate any effect over the period of time. In part because there are a number of other things that influence particularly deer population dynamics a lot more than a disease like this would in the

short-term: weather events, our own hunting practices, predation.”



Question asked by Jacob Larsen, Iowa Assistant Attorney General: “But overall you've testified that it was difficult to detect in effect or there was no effect?”

Answer by Dr Michael Miller: “Correct. And, again, it's hard to distinguish between those two. We've not seen any clear indication of dramatic declines in deer or elk numbers on a large geographic scale

as a result of Chronic Wasting Disease.”



Judge asked question of Dr. Miller: “Where did the disease originate?”

Answer by Dr Michael Miller: “No one knows. I mean the honest-to-goodness answer is that no one knows. Whether it's a disease that originated in deer or elk and has always been there at some low level for a long time or whether this is the disease of sheep scrapie that had somehow moved itself into deer is -- You know, those are also possibilities.”





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I ran into the state rep for my area (he was one of my highschool coachs) and he had just got back from meetings at the state capital he said whitetails in Mo will be livestock very soon
 
fingers crossed for you

Its good to see states taking initiative to get out from under the state gov.

It would be nice to see the rest of the states follow.
 
It sure is ironic that these DNR and QDMA clowns all act like they are so worried about CWD killing deer but most of what they preach is to shoot as many does as you can to thin the "over populated" herd out. Well they've been thinning out so much here in my state on the state land and public walk-in land that it's now about impossible to find a whitetail buck or doe. They give vouchers away so you can donate it to the food bank and have it processed for free and not even get your hands dirty. For the last 5 years people have been out shooting truck loads of does like prairie dogs and now all these hunters ask themselves, "why don't we have any deer around like we used too'? Then the DNR guys blame EHD on TOO many deer and tell the people to just keep shootin those does. They think it makes em look good for giving everyone plenty of opportunities to shoot some deer. If there is a huge demand for deer, the last thing I would do is try and get rid of the one thing that produces them, the does. There is plenty of natural predation these days with the coyotes, mountain lions, wolves and EHD. And NO, EHD doesn't happen because there is too many deer. If you only have a few deer and a bad outbreak, it can decimate the population to where the predation can over run the fawn recruitment and then try and rebuild your herd, good luck . If you had a farm or ranch and could manage it yourself or let some gov't employed over educated under experienced person run it, who would you rather have??? Private preserves and any business will always run more efficient then something gov't managed. It has to or it WILL go broke and no longer be in business, unlike our gov't these days. These people get paid the same every 2 weeks no matter if they make a good decision or a bad decision. Most of em have such big egos with there position, they won't change what is NOT working because that would be admitting they may have been doing something wrong in the past. I will add that our states captive cervid industry is regulated by the Livestock Animal Industry Board, NOT or state Game Fish & Parks and we are lucky to have a great group of common sense people working WITH us there and not against us. I thank them for that.
 
As you can see Dr. Miller testified on behalf of the state in our case. The state now contends that CWD isn't really that much of a threat JUST enough to put us out of business, take our property for five years and devastate you financially trying to maintain a herd with no income!



Iowa Ag and USDA rep told producers in our state that they recognize the Standards version 1, not version 22. Neither documents have been published for public comment.
 
Rough Country Whitetails,

Yes, I attended to testify at that Missouri hearing on Tuesday and thought it went very well. Its a positive step in the right direction and gives some hope. Missouri has a vibrant cervid industry, its a state we cannot afford to lose. Its great the two missouri cervid associations are working together as a team with the national associations and the alliance. There's a lot of good folks in that state. Onward and upward.



Travis
 
Quote --"its a state we cannot afford to lose" At some point when all the states the industry thinks they "can" afford to lose are shut down it will haunt them.
 
What's the point of your qoute Hot Rod???......There are know States this industry can afford to lose.......NONE!
 
I guess I missed his point...........LOL..........thanks for spelling it out for me....Jerry......sometimes I need that.......
 
Rhonda Brakke said:
As you can see Dr. Miller testified on behalf of the state in our case. The state now contends that CWD isn't really that much of a threat JUST enough to put us out of business, take our property for five years and devastate you financially trying to maintain a herd with no income!



Iowa Ag and USDA rep told producers in our state that they recognize the Standards version 1, not version 22. Neither documents have been published for public comment.



Rhonda



How do your attorneys think the case is going? Do they think you will win? When is it expected to be over?
 
At the Macon Missouri Meeting Sept. 3, 2013 I asked 3 pointed questions and they were all directed to Jason Summers, MDC Head Deer Biologist.

1. I asked,"Why did Wind Cave National park just released Elk from a known EHD Epicenter in to Custer National Park, where the prevelancey rate in Wind Cave was between 6 and 8%, how is that possible? The wind cave herd was supposed to be a herd of 250 to 400 animals but had reached numbers as high as 975 animals. If CWD is so lethal, how is this possible"

2. I asked "How did MDC Get to reintroduce elk in to Missouri from a non certified CWD herd with a rectal biopsy test, but it was not a good enough test for the Whitetail and Elk breeders in Missouri to use."

3. I asked "Was it true that Heartland Wildlife Ranch tested more animals than they were required, and If so why has MDC not made this known and why has there been no transparency between Missouri Deer breeders testing procedures and the general public. I also stated that this was one of the worst cases of mis-information and outright deception from any governmental organization I had ever seen. Now that the back lash is starting to pile up when will the public be made aware of the testing and the true numbers that whitetail breeders test and the deception that the MDC says they test be available"



Here are the answers I got:

1. First it was stated they did not have any control over the Wind Cave and Custer park herds and they were highly opposed to the release, as were many governmental agencies. But they had no scientific or other rational to why the herd numbers exploded in the last 5 years even with a CWD prevelency rate of over 6 to 8 times that in most states.

2. The answer to this astonished me. The reason that MDC was able to reintroduce Elk in to Missouri was because the Missouri Dept. of Ag gave them permission and thought it was a low risk decision. If that is the case then shouldn't the Dept of Ag's comments that Whitetail Deer Should be under the Dept of Ag as livestock be a good enough decision as well! The Dept of Ag's decision on the reintroduction of elk in to Missouri was ok with MDC but any regulations the Missouri Dept. of Ag has for Whitetail Deer is not good enough. Double standards for sure!!!

3. This is the one that really got me. Jason summers stated that we had already discussed this at several other meeting and it did not need to be discussed again. He would not even answer my question. He basically refused to answer and set down. I guess there will never be any transparency for the public, I guess this is just another corrupt governmental organization that is driven by money and mis-information as usual.

I think It would be nice to see these questions asked in front of a group of Legislatures and Congressmen. Then see if they answer or refuse, maybe they will just say they will have to get back with us for those answers?



Thanks

Eric Pinkston
 
Deerchaser said:
Rhonda



How do your attorneys think the case is going? Do they think you will win? When is it expected to be over?



Brett, Sorry it took a bit to respond. Tom and I traveled to the flattop wilderness area in CO to carry out the wishes of a dear friend that passed away this year. Got his high ranch ready for the last group of loyal clientele elk hunters and the spreading of his ashes in October.



Our legal council feels we have very good odds as the laws in Iowa are in our favor. The summations and transcripts are due for the judge the end of this month and then she will make a ruling. This hearing was for the 450 animals still alive and eating at our breed facility.



Our hunting preserve hearing is scheduled later this fall. We were forced to close our preserve business and the state of Iowa served an emergency ruling to require us to maintain the eight foot fence for minimum of five years with no ability to make an income off the property. The same judge will make a ruling on our hunting preserve case.



Wish I had am expected finish time, but we do not know what that will be.