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EHD Cure

Predator3

Predator3

Joined Apr 2009
558 Posts | 0+
Defiance, MO
I would like to give my opinion on the subject of EHD and this is not directed toward any other products, only Shock Effects products. We have had an overwhelming amount of phone calls on the subject. First a little back ground on our own herd. We have two locations. There are more than 120 deer between the properties. My direct neighbor lost over 76 head two years ago. I was finding them within a hundred yards of our fences. It is wiping him out again this year. He seems to lose some every year do to EHD. I don’t want to jinx myself but we have never lost a single deer to EHD. I contribute this to several reasons.



1. The good Lord has watched over us!

2. Pure absolute luck.

3. We spray with Permectrin and an organic insecticide called (below is a web site with the info).

4. Diatomaceous Earth. (spread on the food troughs and any wet spots)

5. Watch your misters. I believe keeping the ground wet when it’s so dry brings in all kinds of creatures. Spray those areas every two to three days.

6. Try to keep fresh water. I change it every day. My water is city water so it contains chemicals in which I believe it takes about 24 hours for the chlorine to disappear.

7. Did I mention pray.



Shock Effects Whitetail Conditioner is designed to keep your deer healthy by getting the most out of your nutritional program. The Genetic Enhancer is designed to maximize antler growth and keep them healthy. I believe they have a better chance to survive EHD if they are in top health condition. I have had several people tell me they thought that Shock Effect helped keep their deer from getting EHD as bad as they would have without it. I would like to go on the record by saying that in no way shape or form is Shock Effect a cure for EHD. Unfortunately if nutrition was all that we needed to stop viruses our medical field would be using it instead of vaccines. It is unbelievable when I look back at the amount of testing and money we have put into our products. If my wife finds out she’ll hang me. The results don’t come by accident and we are very proud of what we have accomplished. I highly recommend contacting an actual cervid veterinarian and show him the product labels before using anything including ours. Here are three that are very good vets just to list a few Dr Shipley, Dr. Ray Favero or Dr. Joe from Texas. This is what they specialize in. God bless and good luck there’s a month and a half to go.
 
Pual,

I do think you have an awesome product ...as I have heard nothing but good comments about it ...and I do think it is a great asset towards the health of our Whitetails.....not sure for certian that it's a cure for EHD...but I certainly hope it's the answer........maybe I am reading your post wrong......are you claiming your product is a cure for EHD??
 
I have a freind that just called me and notice a fawn with eyes blinking alot. A good farmer put on here that he notice that blinking may be the first sign of EHD. But my question is what treatment would there be for a two month old fawn. I used a treatment for a adult deer and had sucess but what about a fawn.
 
Thanks for your post, I think you need to keep doing what your doing. I will have to agree with you on prayer, I often ask the Lord to watch over my herd, I want to honor him in all things, even in deer farming.
 
We use Shock Effect and not just for the bucks. We use the conditioner for the does. It is not a cure, it is a great way to keep your herd healthy and a healthy herd can fight sickness much better. We use the top of line Purina feed from Texas. No waste at all from pellets and feeders licked clean by deer. Our fawns get probios in milk replacer. Change water 2-3 times a day. Hand spray around our water feeders.We have a Mist System and misting at night essential. We spray chemicals on any standing mud in pens. We watch our deer with binocular's 2-3 x a day as well as close contact. We treated our fawns with 2cc exceede and 1cc dex. We had one fawn with symptoms. She is doing good now. A yearling doe with symptoms we treated we 3cc excede and 2cc dex. She is good now. If more signs appear we will give dosage again. We do not use banimine as he can cause more bleeding and EHD worst symptom is bleeding.

And as all of you we pray that this awful fly goes away soon and pray for those being hit hard. Bring on the Frost. I'm ready!
 
Excellent information and advice Mr. Bug.

I think it's also good if possible to load them up on electrolytes in their fresh water, and to cool down their body temperatures as fast as possible. The fever is what kills them. Renegade gave us some excellent information, IMHO.
 
Lana, the fever is not what kills them. I have seen hemoraging from the nose, eyes, and anus. When necropsy is done, it looks like a hand grenade went off within the body cavity. Fever is just a small part of EHD.
 
Very well said Jason! :)



We appreciate ya Scott!

Your empirical knowledge on here I'm sure is appreciated by ALL....I know I have deer standing alive in my pen today because of it.



Thank you Scott for your unselfish giving of your time, of which the most beneficial, crucial, and important element to it's value is your experience.

Experience IS the best teacher.



Hope the hurricane hasn't/doesn't create any problems for ya!

Be safe...be blessed!
 
I understand that EHD is a hemorrhagic disease (it's in the acronym after all), but I was under the impression that once the virus enters the body of the deer it causes a hemorrhagic fever which eventually kills the animal due to organ failure resulting from a host of physiological issues at play (dehydration, hemorrhage, etc.). I understand also that death results as a result of those issues which cause organ failure resulting from sustained to high fever. I am not a specialist on hemorrhagic disease, but I am a voracious researcher, and I'm reading up on hemorrhagic fevers and how they affect humans and how doctors treat them. Unfortunately, in the wildlife literature there is little "treatment advice" b/c the scientist usually just observes the animal as it struggles to survive in order to better understand pathogenesis. A cure for many hemorrhagic fever-causing viruses does NOT exist in human medicine either.



Here's a simple article on hemorrhagic fever in humans, note the author's conclusion about what causes death. Organ failure (not hemorrhages).

See http://www.medicinenet.com/viral_hemorrhagic_fever/article.htm



and lastly, for those interested in learning more about EHD and the recorded (scientifically) outbreaks and pathogenesis, please see this excellent source for scientific literature on the subject of EHD, in the Journal of Wildlife Diseases which you can access to learn more about the pathogenesis of the virus, if so inclined.



http://www.jwildlifedis.org/search?fulltext=ehd&submit=yes&x=14&y=6



Given that this discussion is on EHD, I shall not comment on any personal remarks made here about Scott Heinrich, who I consider to be one of only a few experts found on this site.
 
Lana,

With all due respect to Scott who I feel is very knowledgeable with his advice......I do not see it necessary to criticize basically everyone else on this site for the advice they give.......at least this is the way I read your comment above with your statement...."Scott Heinrich, who I consider to be one of only a few experts found on this site.".......there are many EXPERTS on this site and are good at what they do. They have learned the hard way (through much blood, sweat and tears) about Deer Farming and how to treat the animals that they love to raise......their advice is just as valuable as any others including YOURS....and your advice, while appreciated, it lacks the years of hands on experience that many others advice comes with and no one is criticizing you for that...... Just because you like to read and research does not put you or anyone above those that have hands on experience. Again, I certianly do agree that Scott is a valuable asset to this forum and definitely knows his stuff.....however, so do MANY.....not a few......others on here as well!!
 
An expert is someone who is scientifically published or trained.

The rest of us are not considered, by the scientific community to be experts.

We are practitioners with experience, some have a whole lot of it, some like me do not.



Being a farmer of animals, a caretaker, a successful person involved in the animal husbandry and farming field, does not an expert make.
 
Lana,

I could care less what the scientific community's definition is of an Expert or your definition either for that matter........anyone who has good sound advice through being through the hard knocks and helps me SAVE my animals is a true EXPERT to me......
 
Lana,

FYI I am a published scientific researcher and have spent years under the tutalidge of Dr's Kroll, Jacobson, Johnson, Beauchamp, Roberts, Perie and others.



It may be advisable to turn your computer off and put on some boots and tread a few thousand steps with someone who deals with the physical issues of deer farming as a living. I know you are trying to pass on good information, but attaching links or picking and pasting verbage doesn't really do much to help. If folks are on this forum, they have the ability to do the same google searches you do.



There is something about holding your favorite doe and watching her bleed from the eyes and nose after you have spent countless hours of treatment and lots of money to save her and she dies in your arms. I doubt if there is a google search that will instill the feelings of helplessness, sorrow or the reserve to prevent this from happening again.



Just Sayin.............
 

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