EHD question

aws2011 · Dec 9, 2015

We had the dreaded EHD this year. First time for us.

We lost three and one survived.

My question is, do the one's that survive build up an immunity to EHD? Anyone know?

Has anyone ever had one survive and get it again in future years?

Just curious as to if this guy will be in danger of this again.

He has lost a ton of weight and is somewhat lame due to his feet and he is stiff legged. Some days he can walk good, others not so good. Right now he is having more bad days than good.

He is realllly rubbing his antlers. Began this a day or so ago. He maybe trying to drop them. Time will tell.

South Alabama Whitetails · Dec 9, 2015

Many of my one year old southerns get it every year. I have never had a southern deer die from Ehd and they don't get it again. They have immunity to Ehd. They are exposed to midge flies from May through October. I doubt he will get it again if he gets over it but I am not sure. I have never had a northern deer survive here.

aws2011 · Dec 9, 2015

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Many of my one year old southerns get it every year. I have never had a southern deer die from Ehd and they don't get it again. They have immunity to Ehd. They are exposed to midge flies from May through October. I doubt he will get it again if he gets over it but I am not sure. I have never had a northern deer survive here.

Thanks for your reply. It will take him a long while to recover from this. Rough doesn't touch how he looks. Skin and bones I tell you.

Clearview Whitetails · Dec 9, 2015

Here in Indiana we had it 2 yrs ago. That being said this year every deer except 4 died that survived it 2 years ago. And I am talking 40+ animals.

aws2011 · Dec 9, 2015

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Here in Indiana we had it 2 yrs ago. That being said this year every deer except 4 died that survived it 2 years ago. And I am talking 40+ animals.

I AM SO SORRY. Oh My Word

Jack · Dec 9, 2015

As I understand it this virus mutates so even if they could have immunity to that virus it has changed enough so they get it again.

We only get it every few years up here in Montana. A lot depends where you live it looks like to me. In the valley where the river is they had a 90% plus die off. That same year I live up on a butte about 1000 feet above the river. We only lost four deer to EHD that year.

So sorry for all that had bad losses.

Bell · Dec 9, 2015

Garlic and lots of it. Run 1 pint of powder per 5 gallons of feed. When EHD is in the area bump it up to 1 quart mixed in 5 gallons of feed. The purpose isn't to repel the midge.

I would give the buck a shot of Zuprevo SQ.

jerrilee cave · Dec 9, 2015

we had one doe fawn when we had it in 2012 that I was sure would die. Foundered and was thin, but somehow she pulled through it. She was left standing this year unscathed after our big hit.

Jonathan had a older doe die from ehd this year or last that had made it through every outbreak he has had.

Bell · Dec 9, 2015

Jerrilee mentioned the old doe I lost this fall. She was a 7/8 sister of Silverstorm. She was in a pen with a gravity feeder. I couldn't get a decent volume of garlic into the deer in her pen. Here is a buck out of a doe that has lived through numerous EHD events at our farm. He showed clinical symptoms for about 12 hours and then was fine. I had a ton of them do the same thing in this pen. I tried several different methods of treatment and prevention. Only one worked for us.

Bell · Dec 9, 2015

Yearling with EHD.

Bell · Dec 9, 2015

Again. We had just as many deer commingling in this pen as our others. We lost 29 adults in the other pens. This pen had our breeder bucks in it. We didn't lose a deer in this pen. Most got sick but were fine within hours. The other pens had gravity feeders that made it impossible to supplement enough garlic. We believe that garlic in high volume may be weakening the cell wall of the virus to the point that the deer's own natural antibodies can easily penetrate and destroy the virus cell. We only darted a few. I don't believe the meds did anything. I am still planning to vaccinate and boost my doe with the DBC EHD combo vaccine late this spring.

pdaddy · Dec 10, 2015

As a deerfarmer that is experienced Bluetongue and Ehd at a up close and personal level, this is my experiences.Deer certainly can acquire BT/Ehd and survive. Deer that survive can also re-acquire the virus at a later date and die. The virus also can do major internal damage to it's victims , leaving them very vunerable to other diseases and conditions that will kill them. If someone tells you that they have BT/Ehd resistant deer then obviously they are naive or just plain lying. Our experience is that naive northern deer seem to die at a higher rate that northern deer that have been exposed to the virus and survived. Southern deer survive at a higher rate than northern deer, most likely to generations of exposure.Also, the vaccine does seem to help if it is given often enough to keep a significant titer level.

Hershey's Huntin Haven · Dec 10, 2015

Jonathan, The thought has crossed my mine that the gravity feeders may house the midge flies. I tried to spray my gravity feeders and make sure it went into the openings they eat out of. What are your thoughts?

Bell · Dec 10, 2015

The deer at our place were getting EHD in both pens. They were just all recovering quickly in the pen we were feeding extremely high amounts of garlic. I don't know if the gnats would hang out in the feed tube or not. It seems like a place Mosquitos would.

Bell · Dec 10, 2015

It was by accident I learned this and God's mercy. My intention was to feed enough garlic a bug wouldn't like the taste of my deer. I believe something much more important may have been shown to us.

aws2011 · Dec 10, 2015

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Garlic and lots of it. Run 1 pint of powder per 5 gallons of feed. When EHD is in the area bump it up to 1 quart mixed in 5 gallons of feed. The purpose isn't to repel the midge.

I would give the buck a shot of Zuprevo SQ.

Question.. I tried Garlic on their feed today. They turned their noses up and walked away. Can we do Galric capsules hidden in something like a small piece of bread and peanut butter.

I had one fawn who had copper iss

ues. I got copper rods down him with this method.

Galic capsules? if so what strength?

Bell · Dec 10, 2015

My deer love garlic. I feed a simple plain pellet. I stir the garlic powder all around in the feed troughs. We use powder. They may not like the granulated garlic. Our mill will not mix it in our pellet. They say it will stink up their equipment.

Bell · Dec 10, 2015

This is where we get it. We order several hundred lbs at a time.

http://www.webstaurantstore.com/regal-bulk-garlic-powder-25-lb/102707700.html

Jack · Dec 10, 2015

Jerry you mentioned zuprevo what kind of response have you had with this drug and what did it cure? I bought a bottle 250ml last week and was charged 1250.00. At that price it should cure everything I would think.

I had a mule deer doe that had pneumonia real bad so tried it on her and she has recovered. After reading the hand out on it stated the antibiotic would mostly go to the lungs and was good for lung problems. I felt it might be good for sheep as that is mostly where their problems are located.

Anyway Jerry or anyone else if you use this drug what has it cured in deer? Thanks.

Bell · Dec 10, 2015

Jack

It is Jonathan here. Yes Zuprevo is expensive. I bought to use in the rare cases we have to dart. It is supposed to last longer than Draxxin. It is in the same family as Draxxin. I bought it to dart a buck that was gimpy on one foot in a large enclosure. We hope it can be used as a single treatment for some issues that normally require intervention multiple times. I try to keep a wide range of antibiotics on hand-just in case. I am sure the buck mentioned has a weakened immune system. The zuprevo might keep it in the short term from succumbing to a bacterial illness. Hopefully within 3 weeks it will get stronger. I darted a few of our deer that had EHD with Zuprevo. In hind sight I believe the medicine and darts were just wasted. My intent was to treat any secondary infections. I would wait a couple weeks after a deer pulls through the virus before deciding wether or not to give it Zuprevo. None of my deer needed it.

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