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Embryo Transfer

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G2Farm

Joined Dec 2011
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West Point, Alabama
With all of the talk of “superdoes”, etc, and power does allowing traits of bucks to pass; And 99% of people doing AI has anyone thought of doing an embryo transfer of sorts, meaning stimulate the doe to produce multiple eggs, like humans do for infertility and using her fertilized eggs to artificially impregnate other does?

Just some food for thought. I would assume cost would be the inhibiting factor
 
Its being done, or soon will be done. some farm in Texas, seen it on Kieth Warrens show last year. I haven't heard much about it since that show.
 
It's clearly stated in the law on game breeding in alabama that is sent to all game breeders that embryo transfer or importation is against state law.
 
It's standard operating procedure in higher-end pedigreed cattle, so why not? It's not like LAP AI is exactly a cheap proposition to begin with, and we're already doing 3/4 of the procedure anyway (in a manner of speaking).
 
There are people doing it already and I know some who had bad results. Good way to loose a good doe I think if I had a doe that good I would be afraid to take the risk.
 
Sorry, it looks like it is legal now in Alabama. So rock on if that's what you want to do.
 
I just got the information in the mail today for my breeders license and I did not see that in the codes.
 
I dont want to do it. Just one of those things that popped in my head today. But it appears someone has already taken that next step....
 
Embryo transplants can be used to produce an animal using any doe as a surrogate.

It can speed up a breeding program.They can be frozen & used as needed.A hind/doe can produce as many offspring as a stag.



It has far more value than AI.



JIVET embryo's can bring a generation down to less than one year.Great if your just chasing pedegree,or doing restoration.



I still have some ET hinds from almost 20 years ago.

Most of the best genetics for a few of our species down here are from ET imports.

There are still lots in the tank from back then which I would still use now.



It's also a very good conservation tool when used for the restoration of species ,sub species & phenotypes.



Cheers Sharkey
 
It's the unspoken trend. Nobody wants to admit it but it is being done on a regular basis. Quite expensive, $30k +/- per deer and get around 5 embryo's transferred on average. Virgil is correct in that you can ruin a deer forever if something goes wrong. I know for a fact that several "SUPER DOE" have been ruined by this. It is in its' infancy but will for the good or bad be SOP moving forward just as AI was controversial but now the norm. Prices will come down for the procedure and breeders will begin doing this and it will be accepted as the norm in several years. Don't shoot the messenger but it is what it is.
 
Infancy?

I just picked up the 1993 herd book for red deer down here.

Just one example is Dr Brna an ET transplant born in South Australia in 1989 from an imported embryo from a stag captured in Jelen park Bosnia in 1984 & a hind captured in 1982 in the same park.



This has be going on for decades with deer.

Ruining a hind/doe ? Don't know about that.



Back on "old school" I still have straws from Dr Brna & will use them.Is that old school?

I have hundreds/thousands, more similar & my only concern is to use them wisely.These yugo genetics my be more important to restore the deer in their indigenious range than my personal objectives.

Lets hope Lanasvet finds little genetic pollution in the deer over there.

I could ask the officials but I would like to get the opinion from the deer folk in that part of the world,rather than just an official version.



Very useful forum this isn't it.



Cheers Sharkey
 
It use to be illegal to import the embryos to AL, you could harvest eggs from a doe in AL with out problem. I wonder why they changed the law regarding ET?



-Johnny B
 
I always thought it was illegal and the regs did state that but in reading the newest ones it didn't. I'll check some of my older papers and see what I can come up with.
 
Reg number 220-2-.138,last paragraph, it's illegal to import embryos. You could use embryos collected in state.
 
I heard about this being done on the elk industry in the late 90's early 2000's. Not sure I agree with it but good luck if your doing it or thinking about doing it.
 
Infancy in the WHITETAIL market. Of coarse it's been done for years in humans and other animals but hasn't been in the WT market for awhile. Compared to other animals you could consider raising whitetail a "new" trend. The first AI was done less than 20 years ago so yes infancy!
 
Given the fact that everyone now seems to be breeding generic whitetail deer which are hybrids of several sub species,with no concern for maintaining the original types,why would would you oppose ET?



Think of the "monster" racks you could produce.



Sorry to be sarcastic,but,you will be doing this because you follow the market.As I've been told already you like "monsters".



Would you like a GM embryo between a mule & whitetail.Seems your happy to have artificial bred hybrids (AI),but just think you could choose the traits in the embryo & not have to breed & select from hundreds of animals & several generations?



Yes I agree with ET but not GM.For me its about breeding back to origin & restoring the types,messed up by hybridisation.For whitetail you will achieve your objectives faster with ET.



Ok, whitetail breeding is in its infancy.

Do you have clear objectives on what a whitetail should look like?Should it be able to hold up its own hard antler?



Cheers Sharkey
 

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