I'm just getting started and need to know is there any way to verify prior to purchase the semen are from the buck as advertised. It seems very easy to con someone without verification.
How do I know who to trust when buying semen?
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This industry has been cleaned up a lot since I got started 12 years ago. I dont think you have anything to worry about with semen. DNA can be done on the resulting fawns and after you do the AI you can even send in the used straw for DNA testing. While I have heard of some cases where a live deer didnt DNA as it was advertised, I have yet to hear of a case where there was a semen straw sold that was not from the buck it was supposed to be. In my opinion you can buy semen with practically 100% assurance that you are getting what you are paying for as far as the actual buck. The problem is in the quality of the semen. On rare occassion you could get some semen that was not properly processed or cared for during storage
Don H is correct - to ensure the highest quality semen, make sure that the semen you purchase is not handled multiple times. We like to purchase semen directly from the farm that has the buck, rather that from someone farther down the line. Check your PM
I stayed away from this but it knawing at me.i can totally understand, on wandering about who to trust, i started 4 yrs back, got burned on deer didnt spend whole lot but thought i was getting monitored deer, sorry he wanted to sell and get out, then first semen buying exp. off W-E i got lucky and picked one that i bought and couldnt get!! and none worked! but that not my concern. it all the rumors i have heard since starting. yes i think the semen is probaby what your buying, Thanks to DNA, only reason! you hear magic Dust, steroids, THE LIST, Circle Bidding, see yrlngs that you know in your heart they 2 yr olds, but possible, hell no birth certificate, real easy for the crook to fool some, and makes his animal look great!!! and you hear of ,some saying lot crap goes what is one to think???? What Crap?? I do think it has gotten better, but i nobody in this industry, so all i really know is what i hear. Is it Rumors?? reason ,i dont trust much of it!!, like being little guy, less worry.My only thought better use little common sense, and do homework, and plain ole street smarts,I was told long time ago, when goin to a sale, you best hold on to wallet with one hand hold your Azz with the other, i not forgot,DC ps and semen stretching!!
And cant forget tag changing, i just plum confused bout it all!! i think lot mor cleaning up needs done. only my thoughts, so dont get your Panties in a Wad.I do know there is plenty Good people, just wished they had a star or halo, to know ,Who is Who. Dc
And cant forget tag changing, i just plum confused bout it all!! i think lot mor cleaning up needs done. only my thoughts, so dont get your Panties in a Wad.I do know there is plenty Good people, just wished they had a star or halo, to know ,Who is Who. Dci am also just starting out and been looking at semen from alot of nice bucks on whitetail exchange. i wont be ai ing this year but probably next. might be a dumb question but how long in the tanks will the semen last. will it last forever as long as it is properly stored? would like to start purchasing some but want to make sure it will be good for next year or year after. was also wondering how much the charge is for storing. i hear its really cheap but not sure what cheap is? thanks chris
dcwhitetails said:I stayed away from this but it knawing at me.i can totally understand, on wandering about who to trust, i started 4 yrs back, got burned on deer didnt spend whole lot but thought i was getting monitored deer, sorry he wanted to sell and get out, then first semen buying exp. off W-E i got lucky and picked one that i bought and couldnt get!! and none worked! but that not my concern. it all the rumors i have heard since starting. yes i think the semen is probaby what your buying, Thanks to DNA, only reason! you hear magic Dust, steroids, THE LIST, Circle Bidding, see yrlngs that you know in your heart they 2 yr olds, but possible, hell no birth certificate, real easy for the crook to fool some, and makes his animal look great!!!. nothing but theives, and you hear of ,some saying lot crap goes what is one to think???? What Crap?? I do think it has gotten better, but i nobody in this industry, so all i really know is what i hear. Is it Rumors?? reason ,i dont trust much of it!!, like being little guy, less worry.My only thought better use little common sense, and do homework, and plain ole street smarts,I was told long time ago, when goin to a sale, you best hold on to wallet with one hand hold your Azz with the other, i not forgot,DC ps and semen stretching!!
Dc,
You have a straight forward way of saying things. ....... I could not have said it better myself!!!
Chris , when semen is properly stored it will way out last you or I ! I don't think there has been a self life even established for PROPERLY stored semen . Who can you trust , GREAT question ! DC pretty much hit the nail on the head . If I see a guy that constantly ,constantly brags up his bucks then I see a red flag . If you see guys letting their bucks more or less sell themselves because they're great looking deer great pedigree with awesome racks and have produced something or their pedigrees speak for themselves when talking about younger bucks , then those I look at . Yes advertizing is a good thing but sometimes , well you know what I mean . I too like allot of others have been burnt and burnt good , but you learn and go from there . DC's right there are some good people and yes you can DNA the straw , the fawn , and can look at semen under the scope before you use it if you'd like to. Don't buy semen that has been handled often and I like to buy semen stored at a storage facility . Look at pictures of bucks you like and then look at older or newer pictures of that same buck when possible see if you can read his tags and if that tag changes from year to year , you'd be surprised sometimes !! Deer farming is like any other business where theres money involed there's cheating going on too. Just a thought ...
dcwhitetails said:
I agree with this, DC... This year I also have been noticing A LOT of claimed yearlings that for some unknown reason look a lot like my two year olds.
Just for shits and giggles and to prove a point, I intentionally posted pictures of some of my two year olds a few weeks ago to see the responses. I will post these pictures again. They are simply no-name two year olds that were purchased as fawns primarily to use for urine collection. I think you can easily see that by comparing these two year olds to some of the so called yearlings, it makes my two year olds look like fawns, as far as body development goes...
Heck, I could have left it go and next year these two buck may turn up the heat and break 200" at two years old.
*with a big car salesman grin* I think a 200" typical 2 year old would be pretty darn marketable in todays market, over that of a three year old 200".
In all seriousness though, these two different buck are indeed two year olds and I can show you last years antler sheds and the purchase receipts!! What do you think? Do they look like yearlings to you? Now, do you see how easily age could be manipulated to make a not so good buck look a little better for this year and next year?
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I don't know how many times Randy has said....."that yearling just doesn't look like a yearling in the face". Makes a person think after your post John.
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When you buy a horse you should check teeth for the age...
We may need to do the same with deer.
When they are done measuring the antlers show a picture of the mouth and teeth.
We may need to do the same with deer.
When they are done measuring the antlers show a picture of the mouth and teeth.
John Swank,
Here are a couple photos for you to guess the age of the bucks. The buck in the background is the same buck as the second picture. These are a couple of my shooters.
Here are a couple photos for you to guess the age of the bucks. The buck in the background is the same buck as the second picture. These are a couple of my shooters.
Aaron_CCDR said:
Aaron,
I think you may have misinterpreted the context of my post.
I really wasn't trying to turn this into a guessing game. I was just pointing out that pictures can be very deceiving and unless you see the animal on hoof, you can not be sure of the age of a deer based only on a photo, if you are considering purchasing semen.
If you already own the deer in the pictures you posted then you don't need me to tell you how old they are. You should already know how old they are and it's up to you to either be honest, or deceiving about their age. It's really that simple and completely up to you, Aaron! After all, it's up to us, the consumer, to decide if what you are telling us is believable or not...
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Well John,
I was not getting into one of those guessing games. I was stating the same as you. I had quite a few people look at the 2 yr olds (both above) and ask about the smaller one first always assuming it was a yearling. Nearly everyone at the farm said he was a nice yearling assuming that he was a yearling. Point being is that it can be hard to tell the age of an animal from a photo and even on hoof. You should do your homework when buying. Always be careful and ask about a farm if you are ever unsure or uneasy. I was just showing a simple comparison in 2 completely different bucks that are from one spectrum to another. They are just 2 yr old shooters so I am not showing them off. The first one is about 250lbs + and the other is a 150lbs ish buck. Side by side can be very confusing that was all I was pointing out. Sorry for turning it into another one of those post.
I was not getting into one of those guessing games. I was stating the same as you. I had quite a few people look at the 2 yr olds (both above) and ask about the smaller one first always assuming it was a yearling. Nearly everyone at the farm said he was a nice yearling assuming that he was a yearling. Point being is that it can be hard to tell the age of an animal from a photo and even on hoof. You should do your homework when buying. Always be careful and ask about a farm if you are ever unsure or uneasy. I was just showing a simple comparison in 2 completely different bucks that are from one spectrum to another. They are just 2 yr old shooters so I am not showing them off. The first one is about 250lbs + and the other is a 150lbs ish buck. Side by side can be very confusing that was all I was pointing out. Sorry for turning it into another one of those post.
Aaron_CCDR said:
I agree Aaron... I feel some folks will play the size/age issue to their favor.
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