Currently there is a bill to allow high fenced preserves again into Indiana. However the general public is causing a lot of up roar over this. One of the piece of 'evidence' that has been presented as to why they should not be allowed is this video. http://vimeo.com/5680646. Any suggestions on how to battle this?
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Deer Park, Alabama
Try raising the standards??
Maybe look at were this industry sits on the continuum of acceptability & ask why?
Cheers Sharkey
Maybe look at were this industry sits on the continuum of acceptability & ask why?
Cheers Sharkey
Thanks for the responses. I have already voiced about the land owner rights which is why the video got added to the discussion by them. Obviously there will always be people who are opposed to it but if I can help change the minds of some people it would be awesome. I am going to have to sit down and write a form persuasive paper evidently on the topics they are bringing up and post that for them to read and provide all the appropriate documenting support so they can see where the facts are coming from. Right now they are repeatedly stating Disease as a major concern though honestly I believe it is just being thrown around because it is the easiest way to scare people who are not educated on the topic into siding with them. I will be posting some of the hot topic questions they are asking with in the next couple of days and try to get some feed back from people on here and hopefully some experts on the topics to include.
Andrew,
I would think NADEFA would help you out on this.......I would call and talk with Shawn.......I hope this get passed ......good luck!!
I would think NADEFA would help you out on this.......I would call and talk with Shawn.......I hope this get passed ......good luck!!
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Indiana
The main problem we have here is not the antis its our own DNR. There should be as many deer farmers as possible at the statehouse Wed at 3:30 showing support. I beleive we have the best guy handling this as possible in Gary Jacobson. Our state is in favor of anything that brings money in and with the economic impact study done and in the right hands this should be a no brainer. Dennis, alot of support has come from Farm Bureau. Its unfortunate that this come up so quick and this week because there will be alot of talk about about diseases and my wife being a vet and on the IDEFA board she is in FL for continuing education. So if any farmer that can get to the statehouse wed needs to be ther showing support in our land owner rights.
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Northeast Wisconsin
Most DNR's oppose high fence hunting - it is their competition. The economic side of hunting preserves should be easy to promote. Think of all the people that will come to your state to hunt and spend money. Most of our hunters are from out of state for example. Does Indiana really want this going elsewhere? If people don't like high fence hunting - fine - don't do it. It is simply a choice. You have a republican governor there in Indiana who would hopefully be supportive.
Hope you guys have a good turn out wednsday. You need to go around and get all the amish to go with ya. There seems to be lots of amish deer farmers in Indiana. The more people the better it will look. Let thier horses crap on their front lawn they won't want ya to come back.
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Deer Park, Alabama
Passage of preserve hunting in these states is the answer to over supply on the deer farms. Every farmer in Indiana should be there with all family and friends.
Everything went quite on this topic on the forums I've been monitoring. Anyone hearing anything new?
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Indiana
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Northeast Wisconsin
Welcome to Wisconsin politics - our democratic senators went to Illinois for weeks to avoid voting on the budget bill last year. How ridiculous is that!
Democrats claim their for more jobs and helping the economy out....but then walk out on a meeting that would do just that!! What gives!?
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Northeast Wisconsin
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Indiana
Here we go again, now with a little more notice. Hopefully we can get as many people to the State House as possible. The plan is to get there early
enough so that we can fill the room before the opposition gets there. We have four existing preserves operating at this time. This bill will allow for more preserves to be opened and more opportunity for Indiana product to be kept in our own state.
Jerrilee Cave, DVM
We're back on deck again! Hopefully everyone remains on the job and our bill moves positively through the process. Once again we need support as we had arranged for last Wednesday. The bill is scheduled to be heard as described below:
House Bill#1265
•State Capital Building (Indiana State House)
•Natural Resources Committee Hearing
•Room 156-B (Lower Level)
•Meeting Begins Tuesday, January 24th at 10:30am
I plan to arrive at 9:00am to beat the rush.
Security is like airport security. (Leave your guns and knives at home).
Here is a link to a Floor Plan of the Building, making it easier to find 156-B
http://www.in.gov/idoa/files/map_state_house_lower.pdf
Gary Jacobson
To familiarize yourself with what the opposition will have to say read the following site.
http://hoosier.sierraclub.org/chapter/n0001.html
enough so that we can fill the room before the opposition gets there. We have four existing preserves operating at this time. This bill will allow for more preserves to be opened and more opportunity for Indiana product to be kept in our own state.
Jerrilee Cave, DVM
We're back on deck again! Hopefully everyone remains on the job and our bill moves positively through the process. Once again we need support as we had arranged for last Wednesday. The bill is scheduled to be heard as described below:
House Bill#1265
•State Capital Building (Indiana State House)
•Natural Resources Committee Hearing
•Room 156-B (Lower Level)
•Meeting Begins Tuesday, January 24th at 10:30am
I plan to arrive at 9:00am to beat the rush.
Security is like airport security. (Leave your guns and knives at home).
Here is a link to a Floor Plan of the Building, making it easier to find 156-B
http://www.in.gov/idoa/files/map_state_house_lower.pdf
Gary Jacobson
To familiarize yourself with what the opposition will have to say read the following site.
http://hoosier.sierraclub.org/chapter/n0001.html
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Deer Park, Alabama
Get your land owners association involved. They do not like government restricting the use of property and are usually pretty powerful politically.
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Indiana
Farm Bureau has been very instrumental in the whole process with IDEFA.
Also Jack Hyden with the Beaglers Alliance has been a Godsend.
Also Jack Hyden with the Beaglers Alliance has been a Godsend.
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Vaughn, MT 59487
I've lost the list of legislators that Bruce sent me. Anyone have that list as I want to send another paper to them? Please email the list. I want to send them this.
Indiana Natural Resource Committee
Representive
PLEASE SUPPORT HB 1265
Captive Harvesting Overview
Captive harvesting operations, also referred to as "shooting preserves" or "game ranches," are private harvesting facilities where people pay to harvest animals confined within enclosures for food. Harvesting these animals in this manor is the most humane death for this animal. Humane harvesting is what is most important in any livestock operation harvesting for food. Fair chase on animals raised for food is a ridiculous concept and should never be applied to animals harvested for food in a farm situation.
Humane Harvesting HB 1265 will permanently allow captive harvesting in Indiana. If this legislation passes, Indiana will be the first state in recent history to legalize captive humane harvesting of alternative livestock. Legislators have the chance to put in place a new concept for the humane harvesting of deer and elk for alternative livestock raised for food.
The Animals
Animals on captive harvest facilities come from private breeders who raise these animals with loving care but in the end they were raised for food and harvested. Livestock producers and 4H children raise their calves, lambs and swine with loving care but they will be harvested. It’s just how it is when farm people raise animals for food.
Disease
Animals raised in confinement are the only animals that can be treated for disease if it should happen thus reduce the risk of disease transmission. Diseases such as brucellosis, tuberculosis were mainly cattle diseases and yet we allow cattle to freely mingle with wildlife because private owned livestock and private property rights are more important than wildlife in this nation. Wildlife lives at the pleasure and generosity of the property owner as he supplies their care and feed also. Chronic wasting disease (CWD) has been diagnosed in native and captive animals and most likely has been in wildlife since the beginning of time. Alternative livestock producers have a CWD program in place which will eliminate CWD on these facilities the same as TB and brucellosis has been eliminated in our Cattle herds. This is why we have animal health divisions in all the States that serve the livestock community and protect all animals.
Fair Chase
"Fair chase"—is a concept central to the philosophy of many in the hunting community—but it has no place on a facility where animals are humanely harvested that were raised for food. The animal is the only concern and its humane harvest. The concept of “fair chase has no place in a harvest facility where the animal is to be killed humanely for food.
Indiana Natural Resource Committee
Representive
PLEASE SUPPORT HB 1265
Captive Harvesting Overview
Captive harvesting operations, also referred to as "shooting preserves" or "game ranches," are private harvesting facilities where people pay to harvest animals confined within enclosures for food. Harvesting these animals in this manor is the most humane death for this animal. Humane harvesting is what is most important in any livestock operation harvesting for food. Fair chase on animals raised for food is a ridiculous concept and should never be applied to animals harvested for food in a farm situation.
Humane Harvesting HB 1265 will permanently allow captive harvesting in Indiana. If this legislation passes, Indiana will be the first state in recent history to legalize captive humane harvesting of alternative livestock. Legislators have the chance to put in place a new concept for the humane harvesting of deer and elk for alternative livestock raised for food.
The Animals
Animals on captive harvest facilities come from private breeders who raise these animals with loving care but in the end they were raised for food and harvested. Livestock producers and 4H children raise their calves, lambs and swine with loving care but they will be harvested. It’s just how it is when farm people raise animals for food.
Disease
Animals raised in confinement are the only animals that can be treated for disease if it should happen thus reduce the risk of disease transmission. Diseases such as brucellosis, tuberculosis were mainly cattle diseases and yet we allow cattle to freely mingle with wildlife because private owned livestock and private property rights are more important than wildlife in this nation. Wildlife lives at the pleasure and generosity of the property owner as he supplies their care and feed also. Chronic wasting disease (CWD) has been diagnosed in native and captive animals and most likely has been in wildlife since the beginning of time. Alternative livestock producers have a CWD program in place which will eliminate CWD on these facilities the same as TB and brucellosis has been eliminated in our Cattle herds. This is why we have animal health divisions in all the States that serve the livestock community and protect all animals.
Fair Chase
"Fair chase"—is a concept central to the philosophy of many in the hunting community—but it has no place on a facility where animals are humanely harvested that were raised for food. The animal is the only concern and its humane harvest. The concept of “fair chase has no place in a harvest facility where the animal is to be killed humanely for food.
