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Lethargic buck fawns

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Horseshoe

Joined Jun 2009
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Ohio
If anyone can help, I need a home remedy for buck fawns a week to two weeks old, that don't seem to have their giddy-up. It seems like when it happens, their heads are up and seem alert but when you get them up at night they only run about 10 yards and lay down. If you let them go, in about two days their dead. If you take them to the clinic, their dead in about a week.



I hate losing buck fawns (or any fawns) when I think something could be done. Drugs, Home remedy, or something else.



Thank you in advance for any help you may offer!!
 
How many have you lost?



Not second guessing or anything but why do you wake bucks up at night?



Are these bottle fed?
 
John Swank give me some help here, I can't remember the nane of the condition but it is a soil bacteria thet gets into the rumen and grows a fungus that stops the uptake of food , basicly the animal starves to death on a full stomach.

Do the fawns look like they are wobbly?
 
Try to get some collodial silver. It will attack any viral, fungal or bacteria to is affecting your deer. Herbal Healer in Mt. View ARK. is the place to get it. It is expensive but how much is YOUR deer worth. I look at it as a great product to help with all your herds health needs and benefits. good luck

P.S. have you had any of the fawns checked after death?
 
CurtisLloyd said:
John Swank give me some help here, I can't remember the nane of the condition but it is a soil bacteria thet gets into the rumen and grows a fungus that stops the uptake of food , basicly the animal starves to death on a full stomach.

Do the fawns look like they are wobbly?
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Sounds like you are describing enterotoxemia or overeating disease - especially with the question regarding the fawns being wobbly.



In any case, a little more detailed information would be helpful other than the fawns are lethargic and die at about 2-3 weeks old.



Horseshoe,



  1. do you vaccinate - if so what with?
  2. what protocols do you offer the new born fawns - meds, navel care, etc....
  3. where and how are the fawns being housed? inside, outside, etc..
  4. what are you feeding, how much, how often?
  5. what meds or treatments have you tried?
  6. have you had a necropsy done on any of the fawns that died?
  7. how soon after birth are you pulling the fawns.
  8. any noticeable swelling in the leg joints?
  9. what has "the clinic" suggested or treated for?

This information will also help a lot of other folks point you in the right direction. The more information you can provide us, the more of a help we are able to be. We all hate to loose fawns so we are eager to help but we need more information first.





Good luck,

John







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Thank you for the responses. I'll try to give more detail and answer some questions here.

1) It usually is around 3-5 buck fawns a year. I realize with the percentage game that's not a lot but when I see it I know they're walking dead.

2) We wake up the fawns at dusk to make sure the fawn is ok and it usually promotes a feeding by the mother. Basically a herd health reason.

3) The buck fawns that I'm talking about are on their mothers. We do NOT bottle feed buck fawns.

4) Funny you should ask about being wobbly. I have noticed that.

5) Our fawn protocol is: CD&T vac,Fusabaterium vac,Bose,Ecolizer,Roto-Corona vac, and Iodine the navel.

6) The fawns in question are always with their mothers outside.

7) No joint swelling

8) Sometimes body temp is low 98-96.

9) As far as the Clinic is concerned. They usually try IV's and warm towel's and scratch their heads (The vet's head not the fawns). To be fair to the clinic, by the time I decide to take the fawns their usually not good at all.

10) Meds - not sure what to use because I'm not sure what I'm treating for.



Thanks again for your help. This is my first time on the Deer Forum. I enjoy reading a lot of the post. It's nice to know other people have the same joys and concerns I have when it comes to deer. I was introduced to the forum through the WWF Energizer contest.



Horseshoe
 
Horseshoe, John said what I was thinking about overeaters. I won't get into the discussion on whether or not vaccinating newborn fawns produces any real results but you may want to try C&D antitoxin. I know that it works on fawns and gives protection for around 8 weeks. Even though you give CD&T vaccine at birth, there is some question of it's effectiveness in newborns that have no immune system. We give C&D antitoxin to our bottlefeds to straighten them out when they slow down or quit eating. It could be darted into your mother raised if you are careful. If you can get near them at night, you could blowgun them with 1 cc. We give ours 2 cc's by injection so you might want to hit them 2 nights in a row.
 
Welcome to the Forums, Horseshoe....



I think Stevel and Curtis was all over this one. I also share the same thoughts as Steve's on vaccination effectiveness of newborn fawns - more so on those that are left to milk on the dams.



As Steve said, C&D Anti"toxin" (make sure it's anti"toxin" and not anti"toxiod") would be my first attempt. Also, over-eaters is accompanied by a bacterial infection in the gut, adding a round of antibiotics may help some too.



I don't know exactly what part of Ohio you are from, but there is a Vet by the name of Shane Donnely, I think his name is, who is from Ohio. I have worked with him on a few occasions and he seems to know his stuff. Might be worth a try to contact him. I know for sure his first name is Shane, but I may be way off on his last name, as I am not real good at remembering last names... :D Maybe someone can help point you in the right direction with contact information to a Vet that can help you with your deer.



A vet will make or break a farm... Find one you are comfortable with and trust his/her recommendations and diagnoses. This is a MUST....





Good luck,

John



[EDIT ADDED]

Also, if you don't have a blow gun, a piece of 1/2" copper tubing with black tape wrapped on one end works real well with Pneu-Dart "P" style darts....





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Thank you to all that had input on this topic. I feel like I have somewhere I can start, instead of sitting in the barn scratching my head.



Good luck with fawning season and I hope all of your bucks keep Growing and Growing and Growing!!!
 
You might want your vet to check for "reticulitus" it's where a bacteriological infection coats the rumen and stomach with a slimy fungal coating, pluging them up and not letting them absorb any nutrients from the milk, the milk can ferment causing toxins to overload the bloodstream and they fall to either the toxins or they starve with a full stomach.
 
A buch of us met here in ohio last night to discuss AI success from last yr one conversation I was listening in on mentioned they were loosing mother rasied buck fawns he is also giving the Fusabaterium, the Vet that was present was of the opinion that this vacine may be killing the bacteria but then causing another problem, he mentioned that he thought Dex would help take care of the problem, the wobbly or unstableness of the fawns seemed to be the real indicator of what was wrong at least to this vet.
 

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