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Missouri needs Your Help!!

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Midwest Deer Sales

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Missouri needs your help!!!

Can a member from each state (IL, IN, OH, PA, MN, MI, WI, KY, ETC. tell me what states say that each breeder owns the deer they buy, and which state says that they The Conservation Dept, DNR or Ag Dept own the deer they purchase. This information is critical for the fight that Missouri has coming from Our Conservation Dept.

If you know please post your states rules and a regulation number from that state. Please do not guess, we need facts. Right now Missouri needs your help. The battle between the Missouri Deer Breeders, Hunting Ranches and the Dept of Conservation may set the ground work for every state in the nation if we are not careful. Please I am not looking for guesses, I need facts.
 
Eric, Good question..................Not sure why no responses to it, Maybe folks don't know what thier states rules say ?



I do believe folks had better wake up.............If things don't change alot of deerfarmers will have wished they had guessed the score of a buck alittle less and payed alot more attention to the lines being drawn in the sand!
 
I talk to Charly Seals Monday I hope everbody got there comment in on time we need all the help we can get.There playing hard ball thats:mad: per fact
 
Eric, I just came across your post. PA is regulated by the Dept of Ag. We as farmers own our livestock.
 
I have talked to several deer farmers over the past few days about the issues we face. I hear this comment a lot: "Oh they tried to put us out of business before. Didn't work then, wont work now. We have a right raise our deer on our land".

Would someone who really understands the issues we face outline them on this thread for all to see. The moretorium on permits, the kill 2 healthy deer for any non-conclusive CWD test you submit, and any other issues out there.



Thanks....Bill Mayes
 
The way I look at this: If the person who made this (kill the other 2) rule, would loose a child, why not kill that child's brother and sister to find the cause of death for the first one?



Jeff
 
We are under the Fish and game for our outer fence but our inventory and animal health is under the Dept of Livestock. We own our elk and deer as private alternative livestock.

Having lived through the 2000 initiative that took away our Montana harvest facilities and stopped all new game ranches from being made I can say we are under attack and have been for a long time. This new CWD plan is a lot like what we signed up for in 1999. We needed to sign up for this CWD plan and when we had five years into this CWD testing we would get relief from animals not being required testing but we had to sign up for it first and change would come later. Sounds like the same crap our president claimed we would get CHANGE. I see no change in the CWD plan except it's getting tighter around this industrys neck. This new plan will get more people out of the business or they will stop using the CWD plan and will no longer sell out of STATE. In the long run this will work to slow the industry from growth. Just what the people against the industry wanted.
 
Eric Michigan has oversight of DNR, fence, inspections and law enforcement, MDA has health issues. Producers own the deer and since 2000 when someone encloses the property no wild deer purchased from state must be cleaned out and verified by DNR. Our law is "Privately Owned Cervidae Producers Marketing Act", Act 190 of 2000 and can be found in the Michigan Compiled Laws (MCL 287.951-969) This is our complete law. We also have operational standards which is a written MOU with DNR and MDA. They can be found on MICH DNR site. If needed let me know. Hope this is what you are looking for. Alex
 
Thanks for the replies so far and here is why I ask this question.



Missouri states that we "deer breeders" do not own the deer we have on our property and feed with our own money and pay taxes on.



I pose these questions:



If I buy a deer in Pa or Ohio or MI or any other state that says the person that purchases the cervid in that state owns that cervid or Livestock; and Mo Dept of Ag allows me the purchaser; to move that animal to such state; how does that automatically make me the owner relinquish my right of ownership to the state of Missouri.



I paid for the deer in a right to own state and have a bill of sale from that state, proper health papers; then I own the animal, right.

Wrong, not in Missouri.



Next question I pose:

Hunting Ranches in Missouri must test all animals that are purchased out of state but do not have to test any animals purchased in state. Missouri knows that they have found CWD in the wild, so why should the hunting ranches have to test an animal from states that have never found cwd in the wild or farmed? Makes no sense does it!



My next question poses the biggest crock, cockamamie, chicken poop thing I have ever heard in my LIFE!!!!



If you have a cervid die and the test results come back inconclusive we must slaughter 2 more animals to make up for the 1 inconclusive. YES, I SAID SLAUGHTER!!! Isn't that what it is. The animal that died was bad enough, because any cervid breeder worth the paper his name is written on would not kill his own animal on purpose, now they are asking us to not only take another perfectly healthy animals life, but 2 perfectly healthy animals lives, just to prove the first animal died of natural causes.



WOW! And not only can that farm not move any animals until the 2 for 1 action has been taken, but the powers that be can call one of those tests inconclusive. What does inconclusive mean. I think we need a very outlined report of just inconclusive means!!!



Last but not least I can tell you one thing. We can not move deer out of the state of Missouri to some states right now. Yes, I know Missouri says "Oh we will let you move anywhere, but the other states regulate the movement. Right!!! Here is what I purpose happens. If a guy from OH, or PA or MI or anywhere but Missouri hunts in Missouri, he or she can not leave the state with that deer. Period! If the hunter takse the deer across state lines the state of Missouri should be in violation of he Lacy Act! That is what I the breeder of the cervid would be in violation of if I moved my cervid without proper health papers. And remember the state of Missouri owns all the deer, they just give us the right to purchases them and then relinquish our rights to the state, continue to feed them, and OH ya, pay taxes on them!!! So really even if the hunter shoots the cervid and takes it to Hawaii the state still owns the cervid so the hunter is not in violation, the state hould be. I bet that would make the state stop and say well these rules suck, let' just do away with this law!!!



Well go that off my chest. We have a very serious battle brewing here and I will tell you, if we do not unite as a ONE FOR ALL DEER FARMING COMMUNITY WE WILL ALL FAIL! That is what these bureaucrats want and they want us all fighting among ourselves! We had all better wake up. This is that call we have all been dreading, the knock one state out at a time syndrome!



We as an industry spend millions on a thing we love called cervid farming! We need to take a different approach when it comes to spending our money. We do not need big glamorous events at expensive hotels, or for each state to pay huge money for individual lawyers and lobbyists, we all need to take our money and unit it towards one goal. Stopping all of the bureaucrats from putting us out of business.



This wake up call is for anyone that is giving their money to any organization that is not spending 100% of or money to fight these causes!

I am the closest case to a positive CWD in the USA (8 Miles), and with that said I have not heard from or seen one member of any state, regional, or National organization that is willing to fight for me or anyone else as far as that goes!!! I have a state President that will not answer the phone, a National President that has never been to my farm and can not even show up to our state convention to address our problems or ask questions of the powers that be. They show up to collect our money when we write them a check but can't be found when the waters get a little rough. Maybe I am just venting, or maybe I am telling the hard cold facts? You be the judge. What have they done to help any of us. We fight CWD, EHD, Feed something we don't own, pay taxes on something we don't own and give our money to organizations that are not willing to help. Maybe we are just asking to fail?



These are the questions I pose to every cervid farmer and Hunt Ranch today!!!



Thank You

Eric Pinkston
 
If they are so worried about the spread of cwd why not test every deer that is hunter taken and taken to a meat locker. That to me sounds fair seeing as us as deer farmers have to test every deer that dies why should the state not have to test every deer that is shot.

Nick

Daywood Whitetails
 
Eric,



I sent you an email. If you do not get it, give me a call. More info there than I wanted to post on the public forum.



Best,

Larry Armstrong

Armstrong Whitetails

918-639-6951
 
I am in the process of building pens now in Mo. All of the above info concerns me. My big question is will the state give me my permit to raise whitetail. I have been on the phone with my local conservation agent and seems to act like it will be no big deal. I have tried calling headquarters in Jeff city but the people i need to speak with are not there. So dose anyone know if they have stopped all permits or if they are just wanting to? I would hate to spend all his money for nothing. I am going to join Mo deer farmers association tonight. I know that is not much but i figure any little bit will help. Anyone that can fill me in please call or message me. Thanks



Ben Phillips 417-214-4300
 
Thanks for joining the Deer Farmers Association. We need everyone in the deer business to join and be active and involved.

Be careful dealing with the folks at the Kremlin. I would get anything I could in writing before spending a bunch of $$.
 
Eric is exactly right Missouri Deer Farmers need our help bad.I attended their confrence that their gov officials were at and it was not good.We must move forward as an organization but we must also keep an eye on our flanks.Something aint right they are giving lip service about being aware of the economic impact and then stiffen the rules in the next sentence.Eric if there is anything we can do to help here in Oklahoma do not hesitate to call.
 
Guys, Thanks alot. Sorry for the delayed response.

We are on the offensive right now. We are attending every meeting and doing what we can to educate the folks at these meetings about Cervid Farming and how we are helping our industry.

Just tonight at he MDC meeting in Brookfield, MO we for the first time got to speak in a public forum setting. Before the MDC had always given there slide presentation and then broke everyone up in to small groups so that they then could answer a specific question asked with lip service and say what they wanted us to hear. But not tonight, they had to answer the questions in a big group and the answers we not very forthcoming.

We as a group need to ask some very serious questions of our MDC and need to have a response in the form of a letter. This would lead to many more questions and hopefully some transparency. I will keep you posted.

Thanks

Eric
 
Eric: In mn. we own our deer and are regulated by Ag. Dept. If we can be any help give

me a call our org will do all we can to help!!!

John Pres MDBA
 
Is this a step in the right direction? I believe so!



Missouri's Voluntary CWD Program Receives National Approval







The Missouri Department of Agriculture's efforts to minimize the spread of Chronic Wasting Disease were recently recognized and approved by the USDA. Missouri's voluntary program has been designated an Approved State Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program by the USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service.







"The Missouri Department of Agriculture takes its role in protecting the health of Missouri's livestock very seriously and continues to work to prevent, identify and, as necessary, eradicate disease throughout the state," said Director of Agriculture Dr. Jon Hagler.







More than 180 Missouri farms currently participate in the voluntary program, which includes inspections, testing and detailed recordkeeping. Through their participation in the voluntary program, Missouri producers shipping cervids, including deer and elk, interstate have the opportunity to certify their herds as being low risk for the neurological disease.







Missouri's herd certification program was developed in 2002 to protect and manage captive cervids. The Department applied for approval through the USDA-APHIS Approved State CWD Herd Certification Program in 2012, shortly after the federal program became available. Missouri's program approval is good for five years and may be renewed.
 

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