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Mule deer hybrid project

Joined Apr 2009
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Vaughn, MT 59487
I had a pied mule deer twenty years ago and I want a white or pied in my mule deer again. This is the main reason for my mule deer hybrid project. I listed other goals for this project that I believe would benefit other breeders in my opinion.



Objective one of my project in my case is to introduce the white color gene into the mule deer herd. I should have F1 white crosses this spring. Then to build a herd with white mule deer looking deer. After we have white F1 crossed white females I will breed them to pure mule deer. The white gene is as dominant as brown and will give 50% white deer. We will be able to breed out any sign of whitetail at 75% and above. These mule deer/whitetail crosses occur in the wild all the time with wild deer and are not noticeable after the second cross when the deer breed with either whitetail or mule deer. I believe I read the mule deer was made from the overlapping range of whitetail and Black tail deer when they bred thousands of years back.



Objective two is to introduce the whitetail disease resistance and its ability to graze more and not depend on tree browse for its health. We may be able to make mule deer more disease resistant to wet conditions and humid resistant so they can be raised in more Eastern States without the associated problems of pure mule deer. I know the F1 (50%/50%) will appear more mule deer than whitetail and the females will be fertile. This information is from past hybrids that were made on my ranch naturally. My F1 males have been sterile but I have had only two of them. Both sexes of the F2 animals are all fertile.



Pure mule deer have never been as easy to raise as whitetails. For sure they are not known to do well east of the Mississippi River. Sure a few guys have some and do quite well with them but I know of no one who has two or three hundred of them. I know lots of guys with that many whitetails. These successful mule deer breeders work very hard at keeping their mule deer healthy and happy.



I believe the F1 crosses should be bred back to a pure mule deer for 75%25% and no more pure mule deer should be put into the Eastern line. At this point the F2 should be bred to each other and selected on mule deer looks. These F2’s may give the health factors we will need for Eastern mule deer raising to be as successful as whitetail raising.



This project could go with whitetail females with mule deer semen so no investment in female breeding stock is required, only the purchase of mule deer semen.



One other reason for this cross is the breeders of these animals may have a new shooter market open up to them. I personally feel the mule deer market is wide open for those who want to raise mule deer. We just have to figure out how to do it as successfully as we do whitetail.
 
Jack i have a doe that is half mule deer she looks a little like a mule deer but more like a white tail. Her offspring when bred to a white tail look like white tail if i were to breed her to a mule deer buck would the offspring be fertil since she is half and half.
 
Virgil,

That is what I was saying when you bred these 1/2 hybrids back to a whitetail the offspring will look like whitetail. When you bred the 1/2 hybrids back to mule deer they will look like mule deer. All the F2 hybrids I have had were fertile. So I would say all babies produced from the hybrid will be fertile.
 
jack, if your looking for mule deer semen there is a farmer is sask that has a 240 non typ, I will see if any is still available
 
Can you get a picture as well. I may be interested in some if he has a big enough frame.
 
Thanks Curtis, I may be interested in some semen but I don't like non-typical mule deer and most hunter want wide frame deer.



At this point I have been collecting from hunter harvested high scoring trophy stock. I have a good network of trophy hunting outfitters helping me. We get quality animals from Idaho, Montana, Az, Nev. and Utah. I want wide open frames, 28 wide and above. The domestic mule deer genetic pool is very small if we only relied on animals under high fence our genetic pool would cause problems in our breeding programs in the future.
 
Jack Oliver's Morton has produced just what I wanted today a white hybrid mule deer/whitetail female and one brown female hybrid so my project is one step farther along on my mule deer project. Thanks for the semen Jack.



Like I told my son as we watched this beautiful fawn it will be two years before we will see a 3/4 mule deer cross with about a 50/50% chance we will have a white female or male to work with. We will continue to bred for the white gene in my mule deer herd. I'm very happy today with this new gift from God.
 
Jack,



Congratulations! I am glad Morton was able to give you a white hybrid doe. Sounds like you have a good start to your project. I am proud to be a part of breaking new ground. This can be great things for the deer industry.



It sounds like your AI with Patch and Morton has done well this year. If I remember correctly you are around 50% of fawns with color.



Keep up the good work !!
 
Jack said:
Jack Oliver's Morton has produced just what I wanted today a white hybrid mule deer/whitetail female and one brown female hybrid so my project is one step farther along on my mule deer project. Thanks for the semen Jack.



Like I told my son as we watched this beautiful fawn it will be two years before we will see a 3/4 mule deer cross with about a 50/50% chance we will have a white female or male to work with. We will continue to bred for the white gene in my mule deer herd. I'm very happy today with this new gift from God.



Today was a sad day as I found my white pied mule deer hybrid had been killed and eaten by a coyote. We have irrigation cement ditches and when the district turns off the water they have a way in for a few days till the boards are put back in place.



I'm now back to the beginning point in my hybrid project. We will AI Morton to some mule deer does and hope for the best.
 
That really bites the big one Jack! You have been handed some bad luck between Montana closing your hunting operation and now the damm song dogs!!!! Keep your chin up and you will prevail!!! I still have room on my farm.. And no song dogs!!! :) Jim
 
Dam Jack that really does stink.......I know this is a hard one to lose.......stinking yotes!!Jack i hope you get a couple new hybrids (white) this Spring....good luck!
 
WOW, Jack, my heart sank when I read your posting. I can only imagine how devastated you are. I hate coyotes!!



Hopefully Morton can do it again next year.



I am planning to drawn Zeus later this year. Zeus is an all white piebald that is a direct son from RCM Noble. He scored just under 125" (clean 5x5) this year as a 2 yr old. Semen from him will be available later in October. Presale for straws are being offered at $50 each. Percentage wise, Zeus may not produce as many white offspring as Morton does, but it would be different white genetics to introduce into the program.
 
Thanks for caring but like I tell my children everything will die it's just when. She was fun while she was here and I enjoyed her. We will try to make some more like her this next spring.



As for coyotes the war will increase to see how many I can make die a little sooner than they wanted too. They were only doing what nature makes them do to stay alive so I don't fault them but I sure wish they had taken a different deer for their supper.



I guess it could have been worse as we have had Mountain lions in the facility and grizzly bears and wolves are in the area about four miles away.
 
Sorry to Hear that Jack...

That Trully Stinks...Amazing How it's Alway the good one's that go!!

Take Care

I'll Have My fingers crossed for ya!!
 

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