Need help with xylazin and tolazine doseages

Hope someone can help me out here quick i have a big buck i need to cut his antlers off . He is about 185 lbs . My question is 3cc straight xylazine in the dart to put him to sleep and i'm useing straight tolazine injection to reverse him so that would be 6cc tolazine right ? Also the syriges i have are 3cc so is it ok to do 2 shots in the rear end area with the tolazine before he wakes up ? Thanks for the help

I use 1 cc tolazine per cc of xylazine. You may not be able to get him down with just xylazine.

From my experience the reverser is the one that kills.......they both can kil if administered wrong......but a lot of people give too much reverser........my friend has darted hundreds of deer over th years and says he uses less reverser than a lot of other people do and has had very good results.......I do not want to give you the doses as I always get him to dart my deer and I do not want to give you the wrong amounts......

This is a touchy subject, and many farmers don't like to give amounts in case something goes wrong with your experience.

I will mention what has worked for us and leave it at that.

For most adult deer we do 5cc of Xylazine per bottle of Telazol, and use 1 1/2cc darts on does and 2cc darts on bucks. We may vary this depending on unique situations, but this is pretty standard for us. The highest dose of Tolazine we ever use is 2 1/2 - 3cc.

I would never use straight Xylazine for an adult buck, especially if I was hoping to work on him.

Just one farmer's opinion. If you ask 20 farmers advice you're likely to get to get 21 different answers.

Good luck.

I agree with Mike on this one. Straight Xylazine doens't sound like th best option. Mixing the Xylazine with Telazol is what makes the combination that knocks the deer completely out. I've always given the Tolazine based on the body weight of the deer. 1cc to 100 lbs. So 185 lbs should get 1.85cc. At the most, I believe 2 cc should be enough to reverse the mixture above. Be sure wait 45-60 minutes before reversing to prevent relapse.

No way would I cut the buck with straight Xylazine, I had to do that last year on a 220lb buck because that's all I had. Gave him 2cc first then went to saw antler's and he got up so I gave him another 1.5cc shot. Did finaly get him out enough but will never do it again. This year we used 5cc Xylazine to 1 bottle Telazol, we gave each buck 1cc of the mix, cut the antler's off without any problem's. Just used 1.5cc of reverser. I have never had a problem any time I have put a deer down with the Xylazine/Telazol mix. The only problem is finding the Telazol.

Every deer that I have will react differant to Xylazine, some will go down easy with a light dose and other's seem to be able to fight off even a pretty heavy dose. I try to implant and remove cidr's with straight Xylazine but I have a couple doe's that need something extra in the mix. Keep record's of how your deer react each time you put one down.

I was taught of a mix of 5 to 1. I dart all my does with 1cc and all the bucks with 11/2cc

our deer are all calm and that dose is more than enough.As far as reversal i use double of what i put them out with 2cc does and 3cc bucks.All but one buck get only 1cc and its lights out for them!!

I would not recommend using straight Xylazine, no matter how heavy the dose. I have seen 5 1/2cc straight Xylazine(100mg) in a doe once and she still got up and walked away.

Could you use straight Xylazine(100mg) and have it work - yes, but I would NOT. It will be easier and safer for you and the deer to use the mix of Telazol/Xylazine(100mg) mixed as both Mikes stated, and 2cc should get the job done. It will at least take him down enough to be able to sneak up and syringe another 1/4cc to 1/2cc if need be. As already stated, individual deer will vary at times on amount needed.

Safer for you: Using straight Xylazine will typically put the deer down and give the appearance of being out, until you approach and up he comes and takes off. The deer has enough control to get away but not enough control to avoid contact with you should you happen to be near his front.

Safer for the deer: You will drastically cut down on the possibility of aspirated pneumonia, and they will not do all the stumbling around, going down, getting up, going down, getting up, all these things that can be indicative of using straight Xylazine.

Dosage on using the reversal Tolazine: I have always matched the amount Tolazine with the amount of Xylazine(100mg) used to put the animal down, and they are up moving around 8 to 15 minutes later, depending on how noisy or quiet it is during this wake up time.

There seems to be a difference in opinion on ''when'' to give the reversal Tolazine. I have tranqued well over 500 deer and have always given the reversal right away. I used to use Yohimbine(not a recommendation) but now use Tolazine. So since the switch to the reversal Tolazine, I've tranqued 175 or so. And all these 175 or so have received the reversal Tolazine as soon as I could give it(I've actually hurried to give it), and I've seen no ill affects, only positive.

I've only one more comment: Shame on those of you that did not use ''mg'' when prescribing the drug Xylazine. There is a certain somebody out there that will chastise you for your ''kitchen table'' prescriptions and lack of the terminology of ''mg/kg'', and if he sees your posts - look out!!! LOL

I'm sorry ''mate'' - don't take it personal - just havin some fun with ya - I believe in what you stated before, we really should speak in mg/kg.

Cheers Mark

Got to remember the mg/kg for telazol (zoletil).I think you have 570mg in each bottle,most places only have 500mg.

Some people may actually read the instructions on the bottle & add water first instead of just xylazine.All is not lost as long as they use mg/kg & adjust the volume(larger dart & slight increase in induction time).

Thinking mg/kg will make decisions easier.

It appears you have a drought on telazol there at the moment & people may have to adapt & explore alternatives,mg to kg will prevent mistakes.



Fairdinkum if you blokes/sheilas start listening to this stuff,there may yet be hope you forget about those wannabee's & start running some real deer.LOL



Sharkey



PS

Mike, sorry to knock you out of the World Cup yesterday.



Grant,where is England? Still you have a chance "Wales"!

Xylazine/Telazol mixture dosages vary across the industry. Regardless of the mixture rate you select, the amount of Tolazine (reversal) should be administered according to body weight. Label directions recommend a dosage of 1ml/55 pounds of body weight.

DO NOT USE STRAIGHT XYLAZINE!!!! Now your in with a dangerous buck that is klumsy and not fully aware....seen it first hand.....the guy darting got beat to hell and stressed the buck out so much he should've died from myopathy......go with the mix....please