Never make this mistake!!

Sorry to hear about this Dennis. I have often worried about the farms that TB test in the spring of the year. I know of some farms that test in mid to late April. I know we move bred does maybe as late as April, but TB testing is far more stressful and risky I think.

Again sorry to hear.

Dennis, sorry to hear about the bad luck. We did our testing on Feb 27th and have had no ill results as of yet. The Maxbo is a real killer, we have had great success on our Maxbos ( 7 buck fawns 1 doe) so far. With 6 does to go.

Maybe it wasn't the TB drugs. I have tested and then AI'd the following week with 60% success. I actually had to tranq my deer for all, as I did not have a chute.

Dennis,

sorry to her about your luck AI`ing the TB drug is not to blame there are many farms that TB test right with AI`ing and have good results maybe the stress was just to much on the girls going through the shoot to often

Dc all my CIDRS also came in a ziplock bag and they seemed to work ok . One thing I'd never do again is let someone else AI my deer ! I'd never ever let someone else ever do my AIing again ,I'll always do my own . I used a so called expert last year and got the same thing you got Dennis a big fat zero for conception ..nada !! and I TB test in the spring so that had nothing to do in my case. I used 4 straws of the same buck last year and got nothing . This season I AI'ed my own and have 9 out of 13 so far . I probably won't get any more as I bred them on Nov 8th so their about done but 9 out of 13 is a million times better than 0 out of 4 in my book , especially on my first go around ! I also ran my AI doe's through the chute almost every day for just about 2 weeks to get them used to it so the stress I'm not to sure about . I do know the wildest doe I've ever owned a 4 generation 200 plus typical first time fawner gave me a doe and a buck fawn from Amos. I didn't use the best bucks because after my year of zero I thought maybe there was somesort of trick to AIing deer over cattle , but hell it's so easy !! I only used Amos , Hightide , Titan , Dreamcatcher, and one free straw of Hywire I got with the Hightide semen . I used the Hywire on the very first doe because it was free(practice) and she's 9 years old and she gave me twin buck fawns . I TB test in early March and have never aborted a doe that I know of and there's no antlers to mess with !! I also allow my doe's to go in and out of my testing building all year long and some will actually fawn the the building on their own. I only let them into the first 4 rooms but they go in all year long , rain / snow they'll be in the building . Don't know why you didn't get any AI pregnancies but I know the feeling .....Sorry to hear !!!

You ask what else could it be???.............

Bad semen, meaning it was possibly not kept, stored or transferred properly

Semen mis-handled at time of AI, not properly warmed, left out too long before using

Contaminated french gun

Anti-spermacide chemical exposure

blood in the cervix

AI tech didn't know the cervix from the anus

Heck, it could have been a number of things, but if none of them took, the most likely cause for that is a flaw in the AI process, not the TB innoculant.

Just one man's opinion

Dennis not only is one out some dang good money when AIing doesn't take but your out a whole year of breeding so to speak . Sure you get some fawns from the back up if you use one but it just messes with your plans for the future genetic generation you wanted , kind of puts you back a year. Scott's right there are allot of variables but you'd think you'd get one wouldn't ya ? It's not that hard to time out 45 seconds . It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read a thermometer and if you don't know a ****** from an anas theres got to be something wrong ....lol Dennis if I were you I'd do your own , it's just not that hard . I bred cattle for 30 years and put in quick thaw embryo's for almost 15 years and you need to feel or palpate to AI cattle . Heck with a deer your looking right into them , right to the cervex. You can see what your doing !! DC will be doing it and he'll do just fine too !! Heck AIing with no results is like having a huge muskey break your line ...It breaks your heart man !! lol

ddwhitetails said:

now we did change the psmg that we used...and where we administered it....maybe that is the culprit.

Click to expand...

DD, if you don't mind, where exactly did you administer it? Just curious and would like to compare notes..



Regards,

John

Just wondering if anyone incorperates the use of HCG or GnRH with the PMSG when they AI ? Just wondering it was something we did with cattle in breeding for embryo transferrs . Thanks ...

Wooden acres said:

Just wondering if anyone incorperates the use of HCG or GnRH with the PMSG when they AI ? Just wondering it was something we did with cattle in breeding for embryo transferrs . Thanks ...

Click to expand...

Ross,

There is a fellow that I have been A/I'ing for, for the last 5 years, that uses GnRH at the time of A/I.... He has been averaging 70-80% while splitting straws. We had some problems two years ago with a generator freezing up and was not able to breed until 65 hours. He still ended up at 60% while splitting straws. Based on his success, I think it helps some.









.

DC

Give me a call I have 40 straws...Some of what you named ...I am going to use some and sell some, before I list any for sale I am going to test it...Instead of you testing your little bit call me and I pull some you want tested.

John, we have been using GnRH here at our farm the last 2 or 3 years with good success also. I say good success because we have not noticed any ill effects. We also spilt straws. We have not used it at other farms because we wanted to see if it was a good idea or not first by trying it on our deer.

ai buildings, do they have to have concrete floors .

shelters do they have to have concrete floors.

Thanks

Where do you get GnRH? What does it do?

dearjohn said:

ai buildings, do they have to have concrete floors .

shelters do they have to have concrete floors.

Thanks

Click to expand...

They do not have to have conrete floors. However, I would strrongly recommend them. If not, you will be providing a wonderful santuary for varmints. I left half of my barn dirt and now I have to shew out skunks and ***** full time