Three year old doe drooling

I have a 3 year old doe who seems to be drooling and has a lot of nasal discharge.......she is not weezing and seems to be eating normal and is pooping pellets........it seems like she is puffy directly under her lower jaw....I just purchased this doe this past winter and with my accident I have not been able to spend as much time in the pens as normal.....this being said I am not sure if she is puffy under her lower jaw or if that is just her look.......anyhow, we did dart her with some nuflor the other day......is there anything anyone one would suggest for the next step to take with her........she is a good doe I would certainly hate to lose her. Any help would be appreciated!

I know better than to jump in but oh well....here is my opinion of things to consider.

Since you seem to feel there is puffiness under the jaw and she is drooling but has no weezing I would consider a tooth issue. Maybe an infected tooth or some foreign debris caught between her tongue and jaw or under her tongue.

If it is debris or an injury to the tongue or mouth area you may have to dart to treat her since I don't think you have a drop chute. If you do have a drop chute it may still be easier to put her to sleep to check the mouth over really well.



If she sounds simlilar to a water bottle when she walks I would then consider the drooling and discharge from the nose as fluid associated with some lung worms and treat heavy doses of Ivormec Plus.



Just some initial knee jerk reactions. Now that right there was funny given the last day of postings you have to admit

Thanks Roger........yeah you got me on the knee jerk thing......I do have a drop chute......but I did forget to mention we did dart her a week or so ago and could not get her to go down......I did not want to dart her with anymore tranquilizer so we didn't.....I was going to have her live bred at another farm......anyhow, it seems this all happened after that not sure if it is a coincidence or if it could be related........could this be rabies?? The only reason I ask is there was a rabid raccoon killed at my neighbors not all that far from my farm........now this drooling and nasal discharge has been going on for a week now.....if it were rabies and she was in the drooling stage I wouldn't think she would be acting as normal as she is by now........so if we do have to put her down what tranquilizer cocktails have so,e used on tough deer that don,t go down easy....it is weird she is this tough as she is bottle fed and not freaky at all.

So when you darted her last time is it possible she bit her tongue or injured her tongue or mouth while stumbling around?

If it rabies you will know soon that it is.

I still say injury or maybe even lung worms. When deer are tranq'ed their ability to fight off crap is weakened. It is possible that she had some lung worm issues and while slowed by the drug last week they flourished inside of her and are now causing her issues. If that is the case DON'T dart her again as it will surely kill her. Run her in the chute and give high does of Ivormec Plus twice spaced about 3 or 4 days apart.

I don't give tranq cocktails out to folks often because everyone has their own thing and own ideas. But if I have a potential problem child I want down with no questions asked I don't **** around. I take a 5cc bottle of Telazol powder and add 4cc's of 100mg(large animal) Xylazine and then use a 3cc dual port dart. That will make it one quick knock down of a problem child or buck in rut. But again if she has the worms issue I would use the chute.



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The views expressed are purely the novice opinion of some loser who raised deer for a while. I in no way mean to portray I have any clue to what the heck I am talking about. Your actions are your actions alone and I can't be held responsible for loss or injury associated with following the views of a two bit loser like myself.

Its a sad world these days

Is she tender footed? Arch in her back? Trying to rule out EHD.- Jason

No she acts normal other than drooling and nasal discharge.......she very well as Roger stated above, may have bit her tongue or something when she was darted.....I hope that is the case......I don't think it is EHD as we nave been having hard frosts for a couple weeks now....well we shall soon find out I guess.......thanks for the advice guys! I really appreciate it!

She almost looks like someone when they have swollen glands puffy under her chin back towards her neck. I thought that from bein darted twice and not reversed on a cold nite she got run down and may have just got swollen glands. Other than bein puffy under her chin and drewling she looks and acts healthy. This was first time I ever seen this and before darting she was perfectly fine with no problems. Dennis, Just thought I would throw out my opinion and description of what I saw.

No problem.....just want to get her fixed........you know the caliber doe she is Virgil.......i sure don't want tomlose her!!

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Thanks Roger........yeah you got me on the knee jerk thing......I do have a drop chute......but I did forget to mention we did dart her a week or so ago and could not get her to go down......I did not want to dart her with anymore tranquilizer so we didn't.....I was going to have her live bred at another farm......anyhow, it seems this all happened after that not sure if it is a coincidence or if it could be related........could this be rabies?? The only reason I ask is there was a rabid raccoon killed at my neighbors not all that far from my farm........now this drooling and nasal discharge has been going on for a week now.....if it were rabies and she was in the drooling stage I wouldn't think she would be acting as normal as she is by now........so if we do have to put her down what tranquilizer cocktails have so,e used on tough deer that don,t go down easy....it is weird she is this tough as she is bottle fed and not freaky at all.

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What was the ''cocktail'' mix that was used that would not take her down Dennis?

Virgil can answer this one as he is the one I get to tranquilize my deer......Virgil?

We used two cc of triple strenght xylazine then gave her two more cc 15 min later cause the first dose did hardly anything. We still could not get her so we just left her go she never did go to sleep.

We usually mix 6 cc of triple strenght to a bottle of telozal for doe that are harder to put down but we ran out. We never darted her before but she is tame so we thought she would go right out without telozal.

Roger, I really appreciate your posts. As a true novice myself I look to those more experienced gentlemen and ladies for advice. I am glad you are still willing to give it. I am also sorry you have to put in the disclaimer. I am guessing someone gave you a hard time. Just know this I and I am sure there are others can still learn from your experience, and we appreciate your input.



Now to the question about the doe. I am not one that knows anything. I just thought I would mention this. I had 2 does get a cold or nasal infection earlier this year. They were sneezing a lot and had a lot of nasal congestion. They had not been totally weaned so I gave them some medicated formula and the symptoms cleared after a couple days.

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Roger, I really appreciate your posts. As a true novice myself I look to those more experienced gentlemen and ladies for advice. I am glad you are still willing to give it. I am also sorry you have to put in the disclaimer. I am guessing someone gave you a hard time. Just know this I and I am sure there are others can still learn from your experience, and we appreciate your input.

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Thank you for the nice words they are appreciated.



On a side note the post where someone describes how much Xylazine they used and no Telazol....... I would not recommend doing that.

Back in the old, old days before we had a drug like Telazol using just Xylazine was done because we simply had little other choice. But many deer were stressed for no reason and lost as a result.

Telazol is a great product and I would highly recommend everyone keep some on hand and use it for all deer tranq'ing procedures.

Some days things don't go correctly and we have to make the choice to walk away and try another day. Not having the proper drugs is one of those times. You wouldn't try using a 30/30 rifle shell in a .44Mag gun because you ran out of .44Mag shells. Don't try darting deer without the proper drugs on hand. It simply isn't worth risking the loss of an animal.

In this case ddwhitetails sounds like this doe is a pretty special caliber doe and he doesn't want to lose her. I would say waiting or paying extra for a bottle of Telazol is well worth it.



In my opinion.

I appreciate all the help and advice I have received here regarding my doe. This being said, I except full responsibility for our tranquilization efforts on her. I was out of telazol and Virgil worked with what we had. He did only what I asked him to do and I would be lost without his help. This all being said, I usually have all the drugs necessary at all times as my animals mean the world to me and I am blessed to have them. Their health and well being is of the upmost importance to me. With my unfortunate accident this past Spring i have not been able to keep up on everything as i usually do and to say its been a long summer is puttijg it mildly......Virgil did forget to mention above that the first time we darted her with the first dose the dart exploded upon contact so we had no idea of how much drug she received and this is why we followed up with a second dose.....anyhow, telozal is on order.....again thanks for all the help it is greatly appreciated...

Did you get any reversal in her?

If you didn't could this be the result?

I always use the single strength(100mg/ml) and mix 5cc per bottle of Telazol. Can't remember ever having to re-dart a doe of any size or demeanor once I hit her with a 2cc dart mixed this way. I have mixed 6cc per bottle and found it to be the difference in me being able to use a 2cc dart or not on my 2 year old bucks. Found myself sneakin up to push more in those 2 year old bucks when mixed 6cc per bottle, and then had to go to the 3cc dart to get the job done. Sure seemed to be the line for loss of potency for me, cause rarely do they(2 yr old bucks) need more when I use the 2cc dart mixed 5cc/bottle. Wished they made a 2 1/2cc dart.

Before I started using Telazol and just went with straight Rompum, I've seen does not be able to be handled on 5 1/2cc, and then seen a year old doe go OUT and down with 1cc of straight Rompum.

Virgil and Dennis - She must be one 'big time' Rompum resistant doe to not have responded to what you had given her. I too would have thought because of her tameness and the potentcy you used she would have went down. Sometimes I wonder if the drugs are watered down, and then of course there is always the function of the dart itself that could be in question. Best of luck to you on her Dennis.

Virgil - If you have any of Extra Gold's semen left at all....then all I have to say is this: I DO NOT understand!!!

Yeah Mark and the whole reason we were putting her down was to take her to be live bred to Extra Gold.....would have been an awesome cross.......I bought this doe at an auction this year from let's just say a very well known farm......anyhow, she went way lower than her worth.....I will admit I had know intentions of buying a deer that day and was actually shocked at how slow the bidding was on her.....so it was one of those i will bid but I know she won't go for this price.....well she did and what really surprised me was they accepted the bid...I thought sure she would no sale....anyhow, after I got her I found out they sold her by mistake....she has the makings of a super doe......she currently has the biggest yearling and the biggest two year old on the farm that I got her from.....they are sick that they sold her........she is a direct maxbo daughter but I do not want to go any further with the pedigree right now......anyhow, I am expecting some great animals from her God Willing!!!

Yes the use of telazol helps in a major way but not all deer need it to be put down. I have some deer that will go to sleep just using a quarter of a cc of xylazine. My vet and a few other vets have told me the doses to use. Not giving enough drug to put a deer down causes stess and this is what usaully kills them when you have to keep chasing them around. Roger, ouy I don.t know how many deer you have darted but I have darted thousands and every deer is different. Once you get to know your animals you know what it takes to do each one. You need to stop trying to be a no it all. Did you not tell me crap runs down hill thats why you like to be on top. Since I am not on the top I must have been the crap you were talking about so I suggest from here on out you keep your crap to yourself when talking about me. I now you are the6_3 bold guy that thinks he is tough in private but I.m the little deer farming logger who don.t give a crap who you are. One thing I cant stand is someone who is two faced and thinks he is better than some one else. We are all equal and a true man puts himself lower than his fellow man. You do not know half what you think you no.

Dennis, is it the Doe's physical size that determines how "good" of a doe she is, her physical beauty, or what? I think my yearling doe is beautiful and very large- she's got really long ears, nose, is obviously long-limbed and bodied, has a huge white tail, no scars, except where her tibia was fractured when she escaped two dogs (the dogs didn't touch her, but I think she hit a fence)... Anyway, my question is HOW DOES ONE JUDGE THE QUALITY OF A YEARLING DOE?

If necessary, 4cc xylazine / 5cc telazol dosage by body weight.