Three year old doe drooling

well, good question lanasvet....and I am happy to answer your question.......first I am not sure where a yearling doe came up In this thread as she is not a yearling...but I will certainly answer your question too me.......she happens to be a two and a half year old doe which is just as worthy and meaningful too me as any of my deer whether they are a yearling or any other age.....I did in the threads title say she was three.........sorry that i labelled her too older thannshe is.......this again, shows why I hate to even post on here any more.....you ask a question...."and are concerned for your animal and. You get hammered for something you may have said that is politically not correct.......WELL TO ALL CONCERND......THE LAST TIME I CHECKED.....I WAS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT SO IF YOU DONT QUITE LIKE WHAT I SAY..........

And or I say it the wrong way.........GET OVER IT........IT WAS MEANT IN THE RIGHT WAY.....I am so tired of people trying to pick apart what you say......I have deer on my farm that have the top of the top of the top genetics and I have some that have the bottom of the bottom of the bottom genetics....and I love them all the same...I hope this answers your question lanasvet......not sure where you were going with your post.....not that I should have to clarify myself but I did!! hope this helps!! I love my deer...and I appreciate them....I am in the deer farming cause I love it.....however if I can buy animals of Better genetics I will and if it hurts you to hear this then I feel you might be on the wrong forums......just my opinion........good luck and God Bless!

Dennis,



sorry to hear this doe is still acting the same. I do wish you the best. I was sure that the Nuflor/baytril would have done her some good. I can't remember what was given to her. Anyways, as long as she is acting ok, I would just keep a close eye on her. However, as much as I hate to say, if you haven't given her and wormer, Roger may have a point....a good dose of Ivormec plus won't hurt her.



It is great to see you back in form on the forums.





NOTE: I am in no way an expert in the deer farming world. BUT, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express !!

I apologize for my frustration everyone....it just seem that these posts are not what they used to be in the past......I can see why a lot of the past folks won't post anymore....and it really is ashame......I miss the way it was......

Well in my first post I said I knew better than to try and help and sure enough. Lies, half truths and back stabs are being tossed around yet again.

At this moment I yet again feel like saying screw this forum and screw helping anyone anymore. But I know I will still come on (i think) and try and help folks because it is the poor advice and misguidance that occasionally is given on here that leads new folks and the lesser experienced folks down the wrong path. Like some others also do, I try to cutoff some of that poor advice by trying to interject my knowledge and experience into the discussion. That is why I have continued to try and help folks on here at times when there is a topic I have knowledge and experience with. The things I don't know about I stay out of. The things I have very limited knowledge of I stay out of, or direct the questioning person towards someone who can help them. I surely don't have all the answers and have never pretended to. There are several others who have great knowledge and expertise as well. Some of them have simply given up and faded away over the years, and others still make an appearance now and then to help out. (Frankly I was hoping for Scott H to jump in on this one as he is quite experienced with this topic)



Virgil, You are in need of some help with your issues. I feel sorry for you actually. Your so caught up in being angry and bitter that it interferes with your ability to function as well as you could in the industry. If you go back and read my posts you will notice I made no mention to anyone by name or in anyway belittled them for what they said. All I did was try to point out to the newer folks and less experienced folks that they should consider carefully the use of drugs while tranq'ing deer. I will repost here again what I said because I feel in my opinion it is important information for everyone to consider.

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On a side note the post where someone describes how much Xylazine they used and no Telazol....... I would not recommend doing that.

Back in the old, old days before we had a drug like Telazol using just Xylazine was done because we simply had little other choice. But many deer were stressed for no reason and lost as a result.

Telazol is a great product and I would highly recommend everyone keep some on hand and use it for all deer tranq'ing procedures.

Some days things don't go correctly and we have to make the choice to walk away and try another day. Not having the proper drugs is one of those times. You wouldn't try using a 30/30 rifle shell in a .44Mag gun because you ran out of .44Mag shells. Don't try darting deer without the proper drugs on hand. It simply isn't worth risking the loss of an animal.

In this case ddwhitetails sounds like this doe is a pretty special caliber doe and he doesn't want to lose her. I would say waiting or paying extra for a bottle of Telazol is well worth it.

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There are a handful of folks who like to take stabs at folks via these forums. And anyone with any common sense and ability to reason knows who these folks are. I hear others laugh and joke about them all the time so I know it isn't just me that sees this.

If I have an issue I take it up directly with the person. I don't use the forums to spread lies and half truths and make comments with underlying statements to try and ruin a persons name or standing in the industry.

However it isn't my name or standing I care about. What bothers me more than anything is I know there are many new and fairly new deer growers who read these forums trying to learn and absorb information about this awesome industry. I have seen first hand some of these folks being lead astray by poor information. That bothers me because many starting out have invested all or nearly all of their savings to raise deer. And when poor information causes them to lose an animal it may be the difference between making it or going broke in the business. And the heartache is a huge factor as well. It is a horrible feeling to lose an animal you have cared for, loved and cherished. And in a family oriented industry such as this that factor plays a big role.

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Dennis, We have had our differences in the past but if you notice I was the first one to jump in with whatever opinions I could share with you to try and help. I did so because you were in need of opinions to help direct you towards a solution. It didn't matter to me who was in need, just that someone was, so I tried to assist.

I wish you luck with your doe.

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Back to the original question since you got that all cleared up Roger. Has anyone ever seen a deer get swallon glands and if so what did you do?

Virgil if the girl was down here i would say she had EHD and i would treat her with Deximthizone, and Excede (sp) 2 cc of dex a day and 2 cc of Excede every other day.

Randell that sure is a good looking buck in your signature

I would consult [email protected], a Deer Vet, and great guy.

I searched the boards and found this reply by Dr. Joe (last August):



We are having major losses this year in north central Texas from EHD 2. The best so far treatment is: exceede at 3cc per 100 lbs SQ, banamine at 1cc per 100 IM, dexamethasone at 2 cc per 100 lbs IM, iron dextran 5cc per 100 IM, B12 at 5cc per 100 lbs IM. most of the deer sedated have died but our temps have been above 100F for 60 days and no rain

Sorry I have been working nites and haven't visited for a while. Before you empty the drug box on this deer, administer 5cc Biomyicin on day one and 3cc on day 2 and 3 (SQ) This will clear her up right away.

Scott, what is this treatment for or what are you supposing is wrong with her.

I had a buck fawn last winter with similar symptoms. He acted normal, but was drooling and had some nasal discharge. Turned out he had lymphnode infection bilateral. His fur was buffed out from the swelling of the lymphnodes. He sort of looked like a lion with all of his fur puffed out. His symptons progressively got worse over a few days time. We put him in a small fawn pen for about six weeks. We would basically tackle him every three days and give him a hefty cocktail of antibiotics. Thankfully he pulled through. Over the summer he gain really good weight and is very healthy. He did great with our TB testing this year. As always consult your vet about signs and symptoms and drugs. It could be any of the above stated opinions. I can email you a photo of him that I took the first day we treated him.

My thoughts here are based on the symptoms stated. Nasal discharge, drooling, no wheezing, no loss of appetite, etc. I assume since there was no discription of the nasal discharge, that it is clear, not thick and yellow. If that is the case, there is probably some kind of bacterial infection causing the symptoms. Biomyicin is a broad spectrum antibiotic (Tetradure, LA200 or LA300 would also work) and since cause is not known and animal is not in severe distress, I always choose to be conservative in initial application of medications, ie; it is the least severe of treatments. I recommend Bio because unlike the other broad spectrum antibiotics, it does not burn or cause discomfort at the injection site. Neomyicin in the water will also help the treatment as well.

i just started with this problem ......... my fawns are drooling and 3 have died



now i have another drooling .



any suggestions

I've noticed that both Woody and ddwhitetails are in PA. Is there some type of a respiratory disease that is affecting herds there? If I were you I'd talk to other PA farmers here (like Doug) who've had similar issues and have treated them successfully. See post above.

i did not likly



i spoke to my vet and she is very very helpful but she is learning as well ,she was thinking along the lines of to much or not enough (something in there diet)

Woody I hope those numbers I gave you are helpful.......after speaking with you I have been thinking about it and it sounds to me like you may have something bacterial that is infecting your fawns....just my opinion.......let me know how things go for you.

we think we have it nailed down to a infection



the fawn i put down to day i gave it ani-bioitcs around 12:00 p.m.



and just 5 mins ago 5:00 p.m. he looks great --- nothing draining from mouth or nose



his eyes he looks sick ------ BUT HE IS EATING AND RUNNING AROUND





THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HELP

Woody,

Great....I am happy to hear this.......you may want to spread lime in the pens where your fawns have been getting infected......not sure if now is the time you wantto do this......if you can move them to another pen then you can...........it will kill any bacteria they might be picking up.........I am glad to hear about the fawn......my doe after giving her antibiotics seems to be doing well......her jaw swelling has gone way down ...she still is drooling a little but seems to be recovering.........

Woody, I would follow up with probiotics in a few days ......this will help with his stomach....sometimes when you give antibiotics it will kill the good bacteria in their bellies and can cause problems on down the line...........good luck!!