Tranq. questions

I have been using Xylazine (Rompun) for the past 5 years without any problems. I have this one buck that it doesn't work on. He gets drowsy but will never go down and quickly comes to life when I get in close to him. Doesn't matter how much I give him. I have tried this on three different occasions. I am in the process of selling him and have someone interested. I will need to traq. him and need something else to get the job done. Does anyone have any suggestions? Has anyone else that this problem before?

Do you mix the Xylazine with Telazol?

You need to mix Telazol with the Xylazine. Telazol is a muscle relaxer. This works most of the time. Although, if you have a buck that has a very high metabolism, then you still might have some difficulty putting him down.



I had a shooter buck this year that had a high metabolism. I had to give him some extra Telazol but it still didn't put him all the way out because he would fight it off. He just kept walking around and eventually would wear it off. It can be very frustrating sometimes.

I have never mixed anything with the Xylazine. What % is the mix?



Morton- That's what's gonig on. He walks it off and never goes down. It starts to wear off after a while.

We use 5cc of Xylazine (333 strength) ,to a bottle of Telazol......thats in Texas.Some people add 4cc others 6cc ....5cc's works good for me. I then dart it with 1.25 cc's mix and wait 30 minutes to reverse with 2cc's. Good Luck !!!

The ratio of the mixture depends on your needs. You will use one 5cc bottle of powdered Telazol to make your sedation solution. (When you buy it, it comes in a little glass bottle in powder form...very convenient). The potency of the mixture will depend on how much xylazine you mix into that bottle of Telazol. The more Xylazine you use the more you dilute the effects of the Telazol. For example: a mixture of 3cc Xylazine to one bottle of Telazol would be more potent than a mixture of 5cc of Xylazine to one bottle of Telazol. Once you decide which potency you want to use, you must then decide how much of the solution you need for that particular animal.



As far as giving you an exact mixture ratio and cc required to take down your deer, I couldn't say. I think everyone can agree that no two deer are the same when it comes to sedation and sometimes you have one that simply needs a stronger and/or heavier dose. I usually determine this based upon body size, age, disposition and prior knowledge of the effects of previous attempts to sedate the deer. Even once you determine how much you use, you may find yourself having to "top" the deer off with additional sedative. Scott Heinrich posts on here alot and he has tons of helpful information on this subject, even topping off. He previously sent around a schedule for a Safe Capture Course that you might be interested in. I have sedated alot of deer and did it all on trial and error, with the help of others on this website including Mira Vista, Scott and others. I already scheduled myself to attend one of these courses and I recommend it for you as well.





Hope this information was helpful.



Daniel

www.hollowroadwhitetails.com





p.s. It also helps to determine what strength Xylazine you are using, I know of at least two....333 and 100 strength. 333 is more potent that 100.

If you are going to discuss drugs for chemical capture please try to use mg of drug per kg of body weight.There is so many variants in concentration & volume avaliable.Suggesting 5cc of this, into a bottle of that ,is a recipe for disaster,when you don't know how many mg's are in the 5cc's & how many mg's are in the bottle. Telazol (zoletil) is an anesthetic , not a tranquilliser ,zolazepam is added to prevent the undesirable effects of using cyclohexanes. Any one using these chemicals on animals should become qualified through the courses readily available & establish a professional relationship with a good vet.Cheers Sharkey

What mixing ratio do you use if the xylazine is 100 strength not 333?

Thanks.

I use 6 to 1 ratio and i darted 2 fawns sat with 1/2cc and i darted our yearling today to cut antlers and do tag work with 1 1/2 cc. They were all sleepin like babies.

How many mg to the kg of xylazine, tiletamine-zolazepam,is that? How & what do you reverse with? How do you keep records? Thanks Sharkey

Sorry? Where have I referred to ml ? I thought I was referring to mg (total amount of drug regardless of volume).Post script . The reason I like this forum so much is how every one helps each other.It is not my agenda to bring people down, rather to spare them from the mistakes,that others,including myself have made.Cheers Sharkey

I think most of us dumb deer farmers learn by the cc or ml.Alot of folks learn from older deer farmers and never have a chance to take a safe capture class or learn to much about amount of drug per volume and such. I know myself anyway learned from a guy thats been darting for over 20 years and does most of the darting for the walk farm and has done i would say pushing a thousand deer.If you asked him a question like that.....

Well lets just say i would love to hear the answer.

Four Seasons I hope you never ment I implied any one on this forum was dumb,the reason for being here is to help each other & believe me I have taken so much from here I am indebted.There is no such thing as a dumb question,please everyone be wise enough to keep asking,I certainly will.I did not mean to appear so harsh( cultural differences,perhaps? )if some have taken offence at my responses I apologise, my first concern is animal welfare(Actually human welfare is first,then animal welfare).Let us develop together a culture of safety & animal welfare that will see our industry grow world wide.It is my impression there is several members here with a huge amount of practical experience with many species,listen to their wisdom,complemented by your professional vet & I'm sure you'll be right.Lets be honest though if people if people can,t tell the difference between mg & ml ??????????. Sharkey

sharkey said:

If you are going to discuss drugs for chemical capture please try to use mg of drug per kg of body weight.There is so many variants in concentration & volume avaliable.Suggesting 5cc of this, into a bottle of that ,is a recipe for disaster,when you don't know how many mg's are in the 5cc's & how many mg's are in the bottle. Telazol (zoletil) is an anesthetic , not a tranquilliser ,zolazepam is added to prevent the undesirable effects of using cyclohexanes. Any one using these chemicals on animals should become qualified through the courses readily available & establish a professional relationship with a good vet.Cheers Sharkey

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I couldn't agree with you more Sharkey!!!!!

Hey Capchaman ,love your work.,If you want a sabbatical in OZ contact me.Can't promise you money.I can promise you Sambar & Rusa. Do you need to meet some real deer ? There is also some reasearch on red deer in Sth Queensland.Problem is Sambar will displace them in 20 years anyway.Cheers Sharkey

I am very confused now. Is there anything I can do to help tranq. this one difficult buck? I would ask my vet but he doesn't nomally deal with deer. No local vet does. He had me look up tranquilizers on the internet several years ago and that's how I got him to get me what I needed to get started. I seem to know more than my the vet does on dealing with deer. I don't know everything. Far from it, but I have tranquilized about 18-20 deer in the last 5 years with no trouble other than this one buck. It doesn't seem to work on him. I start with a small dose (1cc straight Rompun on adult deer aprox 150lbs plus) and if I need to give more I will but generally don't need to. I am wanting to learn more. There has got to be another type of traq. that will knock him out. Anything you guys see that I need to change or any have any ideas on that buck send them my way.

As this is a difficult buck,this is the dose I would run by my vet.4mg/kg of tiletamine-zolazepam(telazol) plus 4mg/kg of xylazine.I will guess the buck is 70 kg,so it is 280mg of telazol plus 280mg of xylazine into a dart(use the smallest volume dart this will fill,the volume may vary depending on the concentration of drugs you have been prescribed)After thirty to forty minutes,use 0.125mg/kg yohimbine(8.75mg for a 70 kg animal) to reverse the xylazine.For quiet animals & animals in yards this could probably be halved(not the yohimbine). Note I have not used cc or ml they are not important for this discussion.Please discuss this with your vet & let us all know how it goes.All the best. Sharkey

Sharkey no disrespect my friend but here in our world most talk cc/ml!!! Kurwiki in english

terms if you tell the vet you need a 5ml bottle of telazol(no other words needed)and a

50ml bottle of xylazine(100 mg per ml) Take 5cc of xylazine out of that bottle and put it in that little bottle of telazol powder you have in your hand get a 2cc dart and put 2cc of the cocktail you just made in that dart.Take your dart gun and nail that buck in the back ham and let him alone for 20 minutes or so and then go listen to him snore.I have never seen a whitetail deer not go down with that mix.Others may have and if he does not go all the way out you can use a syringe and give him a bit more.Dont reverse for at least 40 minutes to let the telazol wear off a bit and then i give 3cc of tolazine to reverse.If you use this mixture and he does not go down i would like to hear from you.I have seen 250lbs plus bucks snore like old men with this.Call me if you like. Good luck!! 315-783-2848

No disrespect Four Seasons,I think your world may be in for some major (preventable) changes if people continue to be so casual with these drugs.Good luck .Sharkey

I guess you would have to explain that one to me!! You just read what mira vista wrote about what they use and thats in texas and you read what hollowroad uses in pa and if you go back to the old fourms you will see that most farms from ny to alabama to texas to ohio all pretty much use the same size dose of the same meds.This info is coming from alot of vets around the united states so i guess they are full of hot air.If the vets tell us in cc and ml to make it easy on the farmer so be it but they know what we are darting they know the weight off most whitetail deer so they know the dose to tell us to use.If thats what you call casual use of the drugs we use then you must do things way different in your part of the world.The man had a problem he got good advice in laymans terms that he could understand!!!!!Problem solved!!!! Cheers!!