weak fawn - white muscle disease?

Question about the Thiamine?? Robbie wrote 2cc a day for a few day's. I just got some from my vet and it's 200mlg per ml. That was the weaker option, it also comes in 500mlg per ml. What would be the the correct dosage for about a 10lb fawn that's a week old with the 200mlg per ml strength. Any input would be appreciated??



Anthony

Jack, I wish I had Known you were having trouble getting the Thiamine, I have a full bottle of 500mg. So sorry you lost her. Allen

Sorry Jack. I know what it`s like to fight the battle to end up loosing. The only thing we have is the piece of mind that we know we did all we could.

Thanks for the Reply Jack... Sorry to hear about your loss

Thank you for the advice!

Yes it is legal here in NJ but F&W is not promoting it. Permits that were issued are grandfathered in. We are trying to promote and grow the industry here.

I posted a thread on EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES about what's going over here in NJ. It should be the third one down. Check it out and lemme know what you think?

Anthony

[quote name='wvdeerman']To give an update on our fawn. She died about an hour ago. It was a long battle but she lost. We had a horrible time getting the B1, and apparently we were too late. She started being afflicted by pneumonia yesterday, so the fight got worse. Nobody carries B1, so it had to be ordered. It didn't get here until Tuesday, because of the weekend. Sometimes I just want to give up.



Hey Jack-



Sorry about your fawn....been pretty frustrating around here also.



Lost that fawn that I pulled out of my bottle fed from last year. It was a new pen and had too much tall grass in it. By the time we found him, it was too late to take in and see what he died from. She had abandoned him, but another doe was taking care of him. We didn't hear any crying so really wondering what he died from if it wasn't from starvation. This was about the same time that the coccidia hit us in the pen next to this one.



My other bottle fed doe from last year also abandoned her buck fawn, but we took him to bottle feed cuz the same doe was also taking care of him! Wish I would have taken the other one now. We also had a 2 year old doe that had a single doe fawn and she abandoned her also which that doe (we think) is taking care of along with her own!



What is going on with these does???!!! The only thing that I can think is that they were all big fawns at birth and the mother's just decided it hurt too much when they had them and wanted nothing to do with them cuz of the pain.



This doe that is taking care of all these fawns is the one that I posted with the floppy lump and her fawn (her own) is the sick one with the hard lump. Don't know if this is all connected, but seems to be.



Anyway, it's been totally hectic around here and fortunately all my bottle feds (22....I'm doing by myself right now) are all doing well and look really good. Although, next week, with the age differences I will have 4 different schedules. Won't get much done, but feeding fawns and washing bottles next week!!



Have 3 does to go yet, possibly 4. One more bottle fed doe (sigh) that looks like she won't have it for another 3-4 weeks. She is my Allstar doe, so it's a pretty important fawn coming and have a 12 year old doe and another yearling that looks like she's going to have twins (double sigh!!)

Susan sounds like you have your hands full, and will for some time yet. Hang in there and best of luck to you. Allen

Yes, it's been tough going this week....but a person has to look on the bright side. Out of almost 50 fawns born on our farm this year, we have only lost that one buck fawn. A person has to thank God (and knock on some wood) that we have had such good luck this year. On another positive note, I am bottle feeding 5 buck fawns that the mothers wouldn't take care of. At least we were perceptive enough to notice those little guys or they wouldn't be here right now.

If we have yearlings fawning we pull all the fawns have had trouble in the past. You are probably right on about that hurt your on your own. Could be their bags are the same way swollen and sore and the fawn hurts so they say no way. Freinds have left their fawns on with no problem so who knows. 10 deer breeders 10 different opinions! ZZ

Yes ZZ--I hear ya! A friend of ours doesn't seem to have the problem with the yearlings that we have had this year. Both of our yearlings (bottle fed) rejected their fawns and with 2-3 more (2 not being bottle fed) my hopes are not too high on those girls.



My personal opinion is it's not worth the stress of them having huge fawns and worrying about them taking care of them. They are just too young!! Maybe that is because I'm a woman and know what they had to go through!!!

I just want to Thank all of you that gave Jack and I advice and support in trying to help out our little doe fawn, you all are great!!!!!!!

Thanks Again!!!!!

ZZ, figured I would move our conversation out here so it might help others. How many days should Thiamine be given?? Started it on Tues evening..



Seems when I give .5cc sub-Q she reacts better then when I put 1cc in the bottle? U mentioned something about it's different in the stomach?? Should I be using more of a dose in the bottle?