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What are the signs of a doe that has not cleaned out?

redwood_river_whitetails

redwood_river_whitetails

Joined Apr 2009
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Russell, MN
We have a yearling doe that gave birth to a huge buck fawn early yesterday morning. She doesn't seem to be taking care of the fawn and she is still standing around with her tail straight in air.



I'm sure she had an extremely hard time having that fawn as he was 10lbs 4oz and is extremely sore. Her poop shoot is always open like she's trying to push something out. She stands with her back hunched also.



I'm pretty concerned about her and think we should at least get some antibiotic in her. But does anyone think she didn't clean out and we need to dart her and make sure?
 
She is probely just pissed off or sulled up. We had a young doe this year have triplets, and the last two were breech. I had to pull them, which tore her alittle. She ran from them for about two days and acted like you say your doe is doing. One she just abandon(which was a doe fawn, so we pulled it). She finally started taking care of the other two(bucks), and now they are ALL fine.
 
Susan,



I suggest giving her some estrumate, sub Q if possible or intramuscular if you have to use a dart. It should help clean out her uterus. I usually give 1.5CC or 2CC if she is a really big doe.



I hope things go well for you,



Jack
 
Being she is a yearling, and it was a 10 lb fawn, she had a really stressful birth. She is tore and is sore. The last thing I would do is shoot darts at a brand new momma for having a BIG fawn.No offence to you Jack-just my opinion. I've never had one NOT clean out, so I dont know about that. I just happen to witness this same thing two weeks ago.
 
I don't see anything hanging out of her....I grew up with alot of cattle and calving on a farm in south dakota and am trying to remember what a cow looked like. I believe it would still be hanging out of her.



I put the fawn by her and observed for quite awhile this morning. She will give him a couple of half hearted licks and he will try to suck and she just walks over him and away from him. Her bag is completely full and obviously not sucked on. Last night, Randy went out there and he was crying so he got him by another doe that seems to let every fawn suck and he sucked from her.



Seems we've witnessed alot of does this year that have had a hard time with big fawns and then don't want them after giving birth. We took both away from one doe.



I think my other yearling doe that had a huge buck fawn isn't taking care of hers either. Her bag seems to be dried up. She had a terrible time too and that is the one I ended up pulling out. I think the doe that nursed this new fawn is taking care of him too.



Have had a couple of others too that are suspect to not taking care of their fawns. I think this doe though is nursing 3 fawns now including her own and I don't want her taking on another one in case it runs her down too much.



It just alarms me that her pooper is so wide open all the time....you can see right in there. Doesn't seem normal.
 
Sucking from another doe is fine but if she has no colustrum.:eek: i would start colustrum,they say first twelve hrs,but i like giving it 2 or 3 days.just what i would do. Dc
 
Susan - maybe a little banamine. Sounds like she is in need of some serious pain relief, and who could blame her. I have had them take up to 36 hours to pass the rest of the afterbirth, but the hunched back and behavior makes me think she hurts too much to be nurturing.
 
I have never had a doe NOT get cleaned out before this year. Our last fawns were born ten days ago. Since then I had found three different times, a glob of puss laying various places around the pen. All does seemed ok and nobody was showing signs of illness. Yesterday morning I saw a doe with a long string hanging out of her. She is a 3 yr old and her second breeding. She pulled on it, and it didn't break or come out. Looked like an afterbirth. She is not very tame so I couldn't give her any help. A friend and fellow deer farmer suggested the estrumate. He had used it before, so I drove an hour to his house to get it. I did put the dart in her, but have no idea if it worked or not.



It is completely possible that she didn't get cleaned out properly at delivery of the fawns. It could be completely possible that a fawn that size has coused her alot of cramping also. Some sort of muscle relaxer may be another option. Tranquilizing her may relax her enough to return to normal. I would be interested in what Scott H and Mitch have to say about this situation.
 
I think I'm going to give her some banamine because obviously she is in alot of pain. I'm also going to give her a shot of tetradure to help her fight off any infection.



I'm also going to give my other yearling (she fawned last week) a shot of tetradure because when we went out there at noon she passed a HUGE glob of puss. So she must have an infection also.



I'm going to try to give as a shot as they are both really tame, but I don't think it will work. Randy does though...so we will try. If I can't get it done through injection, I will be darting them with the antibiotic.



The fawn was with the "community" doe...not crying so he must have fed off her. She had 4-5 fawns with her at noon. Thank god for her!! I don't want to raise another buck fawn this year as I already have 2 that wouldn't have made it without me stepping in to bottle raise them.
 
Susan - It sounds like she is in survival mode and trying to take care of herself. Chances are she will abandon the fawns to try and survive. I had the same thing happen this year and I found a dead fawn about three days after the others were born. It was already being absorbed by the doe. I would have never found it had it not been for the flies. Its head look like a Spanish conquistador helmet flat and pointed, almost unrecognizable except for its hooves. We gave the doe a large dose of antibiotics and she is fine.
 
Tejas Whitetail Genetics said:
Susan - It sounds like she is in survival mode and trying to take care of herself. Chances are she will abandon the fawns to try and survive. I had the same thing happen this year and I found a dead fawn about three days after the others were born. It was already being absorbed by the doe. I would have never found it had it not been for the flies. Its head look like a Spanish conquistador helmet flat and pointed, almost unrecognizable except for its hooves. We gave the doe a large dose of antibiotics and she is fine.
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Do you mean....she had another fawn in her?







We did dart both girls tonight with Tetradure.....gave the one that just fawned 1/2cc of Banamine to ease her pain. The little ("big") guy is being taken care of by "community" mama.



They are both extremely tame and it was very easy to dart them.
 

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