Wondering what lines (buck and doe) have been found to increase width without loss of height. Which is the most difficult to achieve, width or height? Thanks in advance, IowaMike
Who consistently produces width?
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* Points (22-66%) for white-tailed
* Main beam length (47-70%) for white-tailed
* Antler spread (3-43%) for white-tailed
* Basal circumference (80-89%) for white-tailed.
The higher the percentages, the better the odds are that the trait will be passed on to the offspring. Notice that none of the traits is 100% and a few are pretty low. For example, if your buck has a 26 inch antler spread, the odds are only 3 to 43% that his sons will have the same spread. The odds for main beam length and basal circumference are a little better (47 to 89%). This data needs to be kept in mind when buying (and selling!) breeding stock.
Joe Headley
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* Main beam length (47-70%) for white-tailed
* Antler spread (3-43%) for white-tailed
* Basal circumference (80-89%) for white-tailed.
The higher the percentages, the better the odds are that the trait will be passed on to the offspring. Notice that none of the traits is 100% and a few are pretty low. For example, if your buck has a 26 inch antler spread, the odds are only 3 to 43% that his sons will have the same spread. The odds for main beam length and basal circumference are a little better (47 to 89%). This data needs to be kept in mind when buying (and selling!) breeding stock.
Joe Headley
www.AlabamasFinest.com
That looks pretty close to what I have found from my research. How did you come up with those numbers?
If you want width you saturate the pedigree with width that comes from within the same family. Or in other words you lone breed for width. It takes years to find consistency!! I have worked on this for the last 5 years and started from a line that was bred this way for over ten years.. It can be done. We are growing a lot of bucks over 24 and several over 27 inside.
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I'll agree with Kurt on width, You have to identify a line that produces width and stay with it......................Then keep doing it year in and year out!
For me I had does that all came from the "Frame" lines....Thunder,Patrick,Sunny......ect
Then bred with a line that carried "Width" and PROVEN "Long Tines"................But that Line brought extra inches.....................Then for MY farm I added a buck who's first 2 yr olds carry 24"-30" in width on "NO Name" does................So we will see what our 2 yr olds do and let you know how we did......................for me 6 years have been spent working for "The Look"
For me I had does that all came from the "Frame" lines....Thunder,Patrick,Sunny......ect
Then bred with a line that carried "Width" and PROVEN "Long Tines"................But that Line brought extra inches.....................Then for MY farm I added a buck who's first 2 yr olds carry 24"-30" in width on "NO Name" does................So we will see what our 2 yr olds do and let you know how we did......................for me 6 years have been spent working for "The Look"
Thanks all, Really appreciate everybodys thoughts on this.
Hope you all have a very Merry and safe Christmas !!
Hope you all have a very Merry and safe Christmas !!
I see a lot of post on here about good does and all they produce. I am wondering if anyone knows if there is something like what whitetail quest has, with all the buck pics and pedigrees available. Is there something where there are records of Good producing does and maybe list of the offsprings and such?
Headley said:
Looking for some additional deer names here, I've been seeing Reno,Maxbo XL, Texas Tea, and just about everything Barkley Young has, being quite wide. We are fairly new and trying to expand our horizons, anybody else producing notably wide? Thanks again.
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Sires...........Should also be judged not only on their Male Offspring............But on WHAT the FEMALES from a particular line are doing!
The GIRLS produced will be what you base your ENTIRE program on..............Don't find out to late that a "Super Sire"..........Only gets it done on ONE side of the field!
The GIRLS produced will be what you base your ENTIRE program on..............Don't find out to late that a "Super Sire"..........Only gets it done on ONE side of the field!
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yeah I think I like that line and I have been looking at crosses to maximize things. I think the Waylons Impact straw with the right doe would be a great start
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How wide is to wide? Width is something everybody is trying to chase, but the main part you lose with a wide buck is tine lenth and beam lenth. Very few can get all three on one head.
With that I will take my GP Buster does that will produce 24 inch plus wide 2 years and build tine lenth from them.
With that I will take my GP Buster does that will produce 24 inch plus wide 2 years and build tine lenth from them.
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Chillicothe, Missouri
I think 26" CONSISTANTLY in width,long tines and a good frame is a STRONG sire!
But I believe a 24" wide buck is about 8" wider than 95% of hunters WILL EVER SEE!
But I believe a 24" wide buck is about 8" wider than 95% of hunters WILL EVER SEE!
So Wayne are you saying you do not think 26 wide on a regular basis with respectable tine length is feesable?