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Wind Cave CWD Test Results

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stepheck

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petersburg, Michigan
Listed are the Wind Cave CWD Test Results from June 2011 thru July 2012.



13 ELK TESTED CWD POSITIVE (8 of which were killed by Mountain Lions)

2 WHITE-TAILED DEER TESTED CWD POSITIVE.

Since testing began in 1997 WCNP has account for 51 CWD Positve Animals

41 Elk and 10 Deer



All of this info was well documented prior to deciding to knock down fences and drive Infected and Exposed Elk out of the Park due to Over Population and a decrease in free ranging animals and decline in hunters. No Animals No Hunters...So South Dakota GFP came up with this Great Idea. All in the name of revenue! Now how long before some hunters start turning Elk and other escapees in for testing that came from WCNP for the upcoming hunting season. Then they can point directly to some close by Private facilities! Also do you think that just elk got out and Not any Exposed Mule Deer or Exposed W/T Deer???

This is a exactly what Dr Patty Klein was referring to when she stated at the Cincinnati Convention that the the Wildlife Agencies were EXEMPT from the Federal Standards & Regulations that we are held to.
 
stepheck said:
Listed are the Wind Cave CWD Test Results from June 2011 thru July 2012.



13 ELK TESTED CWD POSITIVE (8 of which were killed by Mountain Lions)

2 WHITE-TAILED DEER TESTED CWD POSITIVE.

Since testing began in 1997 WCNP has account for 51 CWD Positve Animals

41 Elk and 10 Deer



All of this info was well documented prior to deciding to knock down fences and drive Infected and Exposed Elk out of the Park due to Over Population and a decrease in free ranging animals and decline in hunters. No Animal No Hunters...So South Dakota GFP came up with this Great Idea. All in the name of revenue! Now how long before some hunters start turning Elk that came from WCNP for the upcoming hunting season. Then they can point directly to some close by Private facilities! Also do you think that just elk got out and Not any Exposed Mule Deer or Exposed W/T Deer???

This is a exactly what Dr Patty Klein was referring to when she stated at the Cincinnati Convention that the the Wildlife Agencies were EXEMPT from the Federal Standards & Regulations that we are held to.
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Where did u get this info? Could u please forward the link to me? Thank u solo much!
 
This is the biggest problem with the whole rules and standards!! THEY ARE EXEMPT!!!



THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!!!
 
stepheck said:
Listed are the Wind Cave CWD Test Results from June 2011 thru July 2012.



13 ELK TESTED CWD POSITIVE (8 of which were killed by Mountain Lions)

2 WHITE-TAILED DEER TESTED CWD POSITIVE.

Since testing began in 1997 WCNP has account for 51 CWD Positve Animals

41 Elk and 10 Deer



All of this info was well documented prior to deciding to knock down fences and drive Infected and Exposed Elk out of the Park due to Over Population and a decrease in free ranging animals and decline in hunters. No Animal No Hunters...So South Dakota GFP came up with this Great Idea. All in the name of revenue! Now how long before some hunters start turning Elk that came from WCNP for the upcoming hunting season. Then they can point directly to some close by Private facilities! Also do you think that just elk got out and Not any Exposed Mule Deer or Exposed W/T Deer???

This is a exactly what Dr Patty Klein was referring to when she stated at the Cincinnati Convention that the the Wildlife Agencies were EXEMPT from the Federal Standards & Regulations that we are held to.
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Its not about anything but the money! For any states DEC or DNR. Its been this way forever. Yhey use CWD as the scape goat but its the hunters and hunters cash that talk. Why do you think QDMA is against us? Hunters! They are losing numbers with their way they think hunting should be and our hunters numbers are on the rise each year!
 
Looking through the archives of news on the wind cave national park website, they have an article that states that they caught 27 mule deer and did live cwd tests by a "tonsilar biopsy".....this was in 2003..... One ended up with cwd and was dead a short time later ....

If this is true why are we being told that they can't be live tested
 
Jbseltmann said:
Looking through the archives of news on the wind cave national park website, they have an article that states that they caught 27 mule deer and did live cwd tests by a "tonsilar biopsy".....this was in 2003..... One ended up with cwd and was dead a short time later ....

If this is true why are we being told that they can't be live tested
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They say 85% is not a good enough rate but your TB test every 3 years is below 85% and they are ok with that!
 
Wow...government at work as usual....

Is there any merit to putting a compilation of the facts that are available and distributing them to the public, potentially opening some people's eyes?

I just see what's going on in this business and talk to people outside of the business...hunters, friends, etc. and they know nothing.I ran into a local game warden the other evening and talked for a bit, he brought up how bad cwd was( since I told him I was a deer farmer) and yet when I started asking him about some of the facts that have been stated he knew nothing of them..a lot of the people I know and in this area would be supportive if for no other reason than government overstepping their boundaries.
 
What I know now from being in the deer business about how our Government works...scares the crap out of me.......the things that ar being hidden from us is just mind boggling and down right scary!!!
 
[URL="http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/communities/hot-springs/landowner-meeting-set-to-discuss-potential-wind-cave-elk-release/article_b43dc274-538b-11e2-83bb-001a4bcf887a.html[/URL]



Dated Dec 31, 2012



"Wind Cave National Park has long had an elk management program to control it's numbers". Several years ago, Wind Cave would round up elk and sell them to tribal lands outside of SD"



Goes on to say once CWD was detected the selling stooped, but apparently movement is still okay.



Hope this link works.
 
http://www.wellsphere.com/cjd-article/planned-elk-drive-from-wind-cave-national-park-raises-question-about-spread-of-disease/1891144



Quote from above link:



"They admit that the numbers of infected elk appear startling, based on limited survey results. Out of 140 elk tested in the park since 1998, 45 have tested CWD positive.





But there's a catch. Those were not random tests. They were tests on elk that were either dead or sick, unlike the more random testing done elsewhere in the Black Hills by GF&P, primarily from elk shot by hunters.





Those test results, based on 15 years of sampling, indicate a CWD infection rate throughout the Hills in deer and elk of slightly less than 1 percent. But comparing the two types of tests isn't fair, Weber said."



WOW! "not fair" hhmm. We might be feeling the same . . .
 
45 divided by 140 equals less than 1% ???????? These are the same people that figure our National Budget, and we wonder why we are 17 Trillion in debt.

Gary
 
G O Whitetails said:
45 divided by 140 equals less than 1% ???????? These are the same people that figure our National Budget, and we wonder why we are 17 Trillion in debt.

Gary
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Gary, maybe I didn't copy and paste enough of the article, but SD G&F is actually claiming it "unfair" or unfair comparison for infection rate being higher in Wind Cave than in the wild hills, BECAUSE Wind Cave tests all their sick and dead animals while the hills wild animals only test healthy harvested animals, portraying that the hills wild herd had less infection rate.



Isn't this the very same discrimination we as producers are faced with in these new Standards and the old Rule?



Will be interesting to see how much tax payer money funds Wind Cave National Park. I'm sure we also paid to take down fenc and hire helicopters to run out CWD animals! That, my friend, is why we such National debt.



They should have put special elk permits out to hunt in the Wind Cave park and could have actually been self funded!!!
 
Jbseltmann said:
Looking through the archives of news on the wind cave national park website, they have an article that states that they caught 27 mule deer and did live cwd tests by a "tonsilar biopsy".....this was in 2003..... One ended up with cwd and was dead a short time later ....

If this is true why are we being told that they can't be live tested
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Oh come on people , the University Of Wi DNR school in Stevens Point Wi has been doing live tonsilar biopsy's for CWD for years. They were on a TV program called Northland Adventures a few years ago showing how they did live CWD tests using tonsil testing !! They were live trappong these deer , running them into large nettings and using a jaw spreader and taking tonsil biopsy's right on the show ! I have posted this several times in the past ! I'm no brainiack but even I know if we don't enter into a discrimination lawsuit over some of these movement issues and other things allowed by the government and not allowed to us we're domed sooner or later ! How can we NOT see this stuff ? We are being crapped on while cervid movements are going on al the time by the wildlife agencies ! Wi is again looking to buy elk from Kentucky and soon too !
 
I was asked to give testimony of our situation at USAHA to the National Assembly of Veterinarians where I pleaded to allow us to live test and move our animals from our breed facility to our hunting preserve, both properties have been exposed.



Our state denied us this as Live CWD tests are not USDA approved. The tonsil test is believed to be 98% accurate!



There were a number of vets in the room that agreed with me and voiced their approval, unfortunately, not my our own state vet.



We have support of many state vets for research and "controlled" movement because we lost our indemnity And most believe it is not right to take our property without compensation! NOW is the time to move. Never before has this industry had this much momentum.
 
Rhonda Brakke said:
I was asked to give testimony of our situation at USAHA to the National Assembly of Veterinarians where I pleaded to allow us to live test and move our animals from our breed facility to our hunting preserve, both properties have been exposed.



Our state denied us this as Live CWD tests are not USDA approved. The tonsil test is believed to be 98% accurate!



There were a number of vets in the room that agreed with me and voiced their approval, unfortunately, not my our own state vet.



We have support of many state vets for research and "controlled" movement because we lost our indemnity And most believe it is not right to take our property without compensation! NOW is the time to move. Never before has this industry had this much momentum.
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I agree and thats why i believe one suit is not enough. We need shock and awe to show a few states that this crap has to stop! Changing the Fed rules may help..No doubt! But its our states themselves that runs the shows!
 
I'll bet you the good ol USDA is putting the preasure on to not allow these tinsil tests too !! I'd love to see a vaccine for CWD where we could vaccinate our animals and really put the squeeze on the government to vaccinate their's . I think I'd die laughing !!
 

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