Wind Cave CWD Test Results

Four Seasons Whitetails said:

I agree and thats why i believe one suit is not enough. We need shock and awe to show a few states that this crap has to stop! Changing the Fed rules may help..No doubt! But its our states themselves that runs the shows!

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Mike or Angie,

You have insinuated on multiple times that there needs to be another lawsuit. One can only assume you speak of New York, are you doing anything about it or just venting on here? I would imagine that if you filed a suit against the state, if warranted, there would be support on many levels available to you.



Where does NYDEFA stand with this? You do sit on the board correct, one of you anyway?

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Mike or Angie,

You have insinuated on multiple times that there needs to be another lawsuit. One can only assume you speak of New York, are you doing anything about it or just venting on here? I would imagine that if you filed a suit against the state, if warranted, there would be support on many levels available to you.



Where does NYDEFA stand with this? You do sit on the board correct, one of you anyway?

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Have no reason to vent on here! I do speak of Ny and we both sit on the board. Many members say file but as i said before...There would have to be mutiny do do so. We are being shut down because of Pa cases and traces. There are like 28 counties out of i believe 52 in Pa that are now within the 50 mile give. If any Ny farm has any animals from any of those counties or have done business with anyone that has done business with anyone in those counties.... They could be down for 5 years. In one breath they say..It could take years to do the traces and then the next breath is...We or Pa do not even know where the case behind fence came from... So how do they trace something that comes from........ Our leader says we need to work from within.Well we have been working long enough! I say file the suit and then we will talk.



Like Rhonda and many others say, We need to go public with all of this and get it in news papers, Tv and any other place where people will see what is going on. I believe a few lawsuits going in a few states at the same time will get some eyes open and some people in control might just do something. If not, Ny cant lose much more because 3 permits have been ok'ed since Oct 2012 and those were in state from closed herds. I speak with Albany atleast once a week and its always the same answer!

However, If industry leaders pass the new Standards as written:



1. Preferred action to positive finding, trace forward, and trace back herd is depopulation.

2. Voiding the indemnity clause that now stands in the RULE and leaving expenses incurred for depopulation, disposal, and cleanup to the producer and the state.



You will all be tipping Our lawsuit in favor of our State of Iowa actions!



Five year quarantine, depopulation, all investments gone with one phone call. You all may be looking at changing your deed to include devaluation due to infection and contagious contamination as we are!



All based on a theory with lack of scientific proof. Discrimination toward our 1% farmed cervid testing requirement at 100% and the other 99% free ranging cervids, walking up to our fences, left exempt!!



We have spent $70,000 to date to fight for our property rights and for just compensation not only for ourselves but for this industry.



We would certainly welcome more to stand and fight along side. Joining us in Washington would be a great start. Bring ur business plans, your state economic impact surveys, photos of your investments, and copies of your ads. Bring a map of your state representatives and identify on the map every deer producer in your state.

I found this kind of interesting and totally a joke!





MONDAY, APRIL 08, 2013



Evaluation of a wild white-tailed deer population management program for controlling chronic wasting disease in Illinois, 2003–2008

Evaluation of a wild white-tailed deer population management program for controlling chronic wasting disease in Illinois, 2003–2008









Nohra Mateus-Pinillaa, , Hsin-Yi Wengb, , , Marilyn O. Ruizc, , Paul Sheltond, , Jan Novakofskie, a Illinois Natural History Survey, University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, 1816 S. Oak Street, Champaign, IL 61820, USA b Department of Comparative Pathobiology, Purdue University, 625 Harrison Street, West Lafayette, IN 47907, USA c Department of Pathobiology, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 2001 S. Lincoln Avenue, Urbana, IL 61801, USA d Division of Wildlife Resources, Illinois Department of Natural Resources, One Natural Resources Way, Springfield, IL 62702, USA e Department of Animal Sciences, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 205 Meat Science Laboratory, 1503 S. Maryland Drive, Urbana, IL 61801, USA









Corresponding author. Tel.: +1 765 494 0445; fax: +1 765 494 9830. Received 1 November 2012 Revised 5 March 2013 Accepted 7 March 2013 Available online 1 April 2013 http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.prevetmed.2013.03.002, How to Cite or Link Using DOI









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We evaluated population management programs for controlling chronic wasting disease (CWD) in wild white-tailed deer in Illinois between November 2002 and March 2008. The intervention consisted of measures of deer removal from three deer population control programs: Illinois Department of Natural Resources culling, deer population control permits and nuisance deer removal permits. We included in the analysis a total of 14,650 white-tailed deer CWD test results. These data also included location and demographic data collected from both deer harvested in the interventions as well as deer from hunter harvests and deer vehicle collisions. We quantified intervention pressures as the number of years of intervention, the total number of deer removed and the average number of deer removed per year. We accounted for temporal and spatial variations of intervention by using mixed logistic regression to model the association between intervention pressures and CWD prevalence change. The results showed that deer population management intervention as practiced in Illinois during the study period was negatively associated with CWD prevalence and the strength of association varied depending on age of deer and the measure of intervention pressure. The population management programs showed a more consistent association with reduced CWD prevalence in fawn and yearling white-tailed deer than in adult deer. Our results also suggested that frequent and continuing intervention events with at least moderate intensity of culling were needed to reduce CWD prevalence. A longer study period, however, is needed to make a more definite conclusion about the effectiveness of similar population management programs for controlling CWD in wild white-tailed deer.





They say they did this from 2003 to 2008. Then they say they need more time to gather more info. So what have they been doing from 2008 to 2013?

This is a huge concern I have.

In Minnesota if you have an environmental issue on your land, you must disclose it and it is placed on your abstract or deed. This greatly effects the value, or future value, of the your real estate.

My question is, How is the Banking Community going to respond to this rule?

Will they give loans, or use even allow land with cervids on it to be used for collateral?

Will it be to risky for banks to get involved with?

Should USDA go before the "House" Banking Committee, and explain to some congressmen how they are going to arbitrarily reduce a banks collateral with a rule [retroactively], without the banking industries input?

With CWD being compared to a "nuclear waste spill", how is the Banking Community going to respond to this?

Should we get the Banking Lobby" involved here?

Gary

This thread is finally giving us some facts and the kind of information that the public needs to know. Whether it is from Gary in Minnesota, Mike and Angie in New York, Josh Newton in Pa. or the Brakkes in Iowa.....Numbers Never Lie....But our State and Federal agencies do!! And that is how They use the public against us because they can and they are funded to do so. Everytime we try to get the word out we have to have a fund raiser because of OUR lack of funding to do so. Each state association seems reluctant to do so as their funds are limited also and have state issues of their own. I am going to be calling local papers and talk with their outdoor columnists and ask if they are interested in writing an article about CWD and the True Facts. I have contacted them in the past about negative articles they had written and when the conversation was over they had apologized and stated they were only reporting the facts and information the DNR had given them and never thought that they would mislead them. If I can get just one to do it others will see and maybe just maybe the truth will start to get out. Maybe other reading this could do the same just ask them if they are interested in Helping us by reporting the Truth about CWD and The LACK of it. All they can do is say No...Maybe Then let them know we have them on record as Declining to do so.

G O Whitetails said:

This is a huge concern I have.

In Minnesota if you have an environmental issue on your land, you must disclose it and it is placed on your abstract or deed. This greatly effects the value, or future value, of the your real estate.

My question is, How is the Banking Community going to respond to this rule?

Will they give loans, or use even allow land with cervids on it to be used for collateral?

Will it be to risky for banks to get involved with?

Should USDA go before the "House" Banking Committee, and explain to some congressmen how they are going to arbitrarily reduce a banks collateral with a rule [retroactively], without the banking industries input?

With CWD being compared to a "nuclear waste spill", how is the Banking Community going to respond to this?

Should we get the Banking Lobby" involved here?

Gary

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Gary, Funny you talk about this. Here is a couple i found on another site.



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I hunt in the heart of the CWD zone and we had a farmer about 1.5 miles away sell off sections of his farm. He got between $3500-5000 an acre. This was for farm land but I feel like the prices haven't gone down too much. Richland and Sauk counties continue to pour out giants every year and will for years to come.









Geez......3500-5500 for land anywhere in the heart of the CWD zone sounds cheap. Ag land not far from where I used to live in Dane Cty was going for 8000-11000 last year





Now this is CWD positive lands that are rewriting the whitetail B&C and Pope & Young record bucks year after year!

Yup CWD is doing a number on the deer herds, Mature animals and land prices!

A bit of reality, again. Anyone in this industry interested in purchasing our hunting preserve? Beautiful new custom built lodge in 2011. Overlooking beautiful deep wooded valley.



Or maybe we can put it on the market. Maybe we can find a sportsman, outdoorsman, or homeowner that would find it appealing to have their entire 330 acre property surrounded by an 8 ft fence for five years minimum.

Rhonda Brakke said:

A bit of reality, again. Anyone in this industry interested in purchasing our hunting preserve? Beautiful new custom built lodge in 2011. Overlooking beautiful deep wooded valley.



Or maybe we can put it on the market. Maybe we can find a sportsman, outdoorsman, or homeowner that would find it appealing to have their entire 330 acre property surrounded by an 8 ft fence for five years minimum.

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Just a question....Who says you have to keep your fence up? I mean this is still YOUR property. Positive CWD deer as of now i guess they can say something but YOUR land. I would have to show different! I hear of a farm in another state that was closed down and they have cattle on there now. I believe its been a years since they were closed down.



I have to say that if it ever comes here..These fences will be down and this 50 acres with house and barn next to a military base.. That i know would be sold in a month max...will have a realitor sign out front.



I know some might not be able to just pick up and move but i could and any fight from the state or whomever would go public and get some good air time!

It's in the standards. Our Dept of Ag has served the quarantine. So now we shall find out in our contested case, if our fence can come down at the preserve. Because we, too, believe it is our property and there was "minimal" exposure. Lets not forget that we have not signed a herd plan, but in the new standards you will be required to sign a herd plan that includes language to keep and maintain fence for five years.



Even though standards havre not been passed, Iowa is following them and your state and others may do the same. Even if these standards don't get passed, states will use them as a guideline. Tom just finished up cleanup at the preserve this past Friday, again, it was line by line instructions outlined in the standards.



Again, read all 55 pages. They make these random statements all throughout the document!

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If a producer does not follow the terms of the herd plan and CWD recurs in animals on the premises, the owner may be responsible for infecting other cervids and herds and may be subject to any regulatory penalties by the state.





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Appendix IV. Guidelines on Environmental Contamination….

Once a CWD positive animal is identified on a premises, the premises should be quarantined until adequate decontamination has been performed.

These guidelines base the suggested preferred herd plan on depopulation of the entire herd following detection of the index positive animal.

If a producer does not follow the recommendations in the herd plan and CWD reoccurs in animals on the premises, the producer will not be compensated for the destruction of those animals and may be responsible for infecting other cervids.



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Fencing Requirements: Fencing should be maintained to prevent ingress and egress of cervids for at least 5 years.







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Restocking

The premises may be restocked with non-cervid species 1 month after decontamination. The owner must report all mortalities of non-cervid species to the state authority, and the causes of death must be determined. Non-cervid animals exhibiting clinical signs of progressive debilitating disease…..should be sent for complete necropsy evaluation.

The premises may be restocked with cervids 5 years after decontamination.

Fencing Requirements

Fences should be maintained to prevent the ingress and egress of cervids for at least 5 years.



Mike, Rhonda is right, she is living the consequences of the "standards" right now, and they haven't even been approved yet.

Above are quotes from the standards.

You may be held criminally libel , if your state so chooses, for not maintaining the fence for 5 years.

If your land is considered a "toxic waste-site", even if you think you have a good location, will you really get what it is worth? Or will you have to fire-sale it?

Remember, in most state laws, you will have to disclose this in a real estate sale.

Gary

Rhonda Brakke said:

It's in the standards. Our Dept of Ag has served the quarantine. So now we shall find out in our contested case, if our fence can come down at the preserve. Because we, too, believe it is our property and there was "minimal" exposure. Lets not forget that we have not signed a herd plan, but in the new standards you will be required to sign a herd plan that includes language to keep and maintain fence for five years.



Even though standards havre not been passed, Iowa is following them and your state and others may do the same. Even if these standards don't get passed, states will use them as a guideline. Tom just finished up cleanup at the preserve this past Friday, again, it was line by line instructions outlined in the standards.



Again, read all 55 pages. They make these random statements all throughout the document!

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So as of now, If a person has not signed anything in writing they can do as they please with their property. I believe that would play out well with the public if it went viral that the Govt is trying to tell a tax paying person what they can do with their property. They may not be able to have deer on there but they sure can have alpaca if thats their choice!

The USDA is challenging our land owner property rights. Can you all afford to fight for your land after you have been put out of business and handed a bill to do it, standards also place all expenses incurred on the producer and the state, no indemnity from Feds.



Charge you to destroy your animals, pay to test them for CWD, pay to dispose of them (requiring they go to a landfill), and disinfection and burning of some buildings!



And to think our industry would have passed this load of crap at USAHA back in October!

G O Whitetails said:

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If a producer does not follow the terms of the herd plan and CWD recurs in animals on the premises, the owner may be responsible for infecting other cervids and herds and may be subject to any regulatory penalties by the state.





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Appendix IV. Guidelines on Environmental Contamination….

Once a CWD positive animal is identified on a premises, the premises should be quarantined until adequate decontamination has been performed.

These guidelines base the suggested preferred herd plan on depopulation of the entire herd following detection of the index positive animal.

If a producer does not follow the recommendations in the herd plan and CWD reoccurs in animals on the premises, the producer will not be compensated for the destruction of those animals and may be responsible for infecting other cervids.



Page 52 & repeated on page 53

Fencing Requirements: Fencing should be maintained to prevent ingress and egress of cervids for at least 5 years.







Page 53

Restocking

The premises may be restocked with non-cervid species 1 month after decontamination. The owner must report all mortalities of non-cervid species to the state authority, and the causes of death must be determined. Non-cervid animals exhibiting clinical signs of progressive debilitating disease…..should be sent for complete necropsy evaluation.

The premises may be restocked with cervids 5 years after decontamination.

Fencing Requirements

Fences should be maintained to prevent the ingress and egress of cervids for at least 5 years.



Mike, Rhonda is right, she is living the consequences of the "standards" right now, and they haven't even been approved yet.

Above are quotes from the standards.

You may be held criminally libel , if your state so chooses, for not maintaining the fence for 5 years.

If your land is considered a "toxic waste-site", even if you think you have a good location, will you really get what it is worth? Or will you have to fire-sale it?

Remember, in most state laws, you will have to disclose this in a real estate sale.

Gary

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Well in my case our state is spreading composted UNTESTED whitetails all over Ny. I would take all fences down and they could do to me whatever they wanted. Then when that happened and that news and along with the Wind Cave project came to light there would be more lawsuits. They want to control my land...Write the check.

You will be required, like us, to go to court. Thank you, USDA

Four Seasons Whitetails said:

Well in my case our state is spreading composted UNTESTED whitetails all over Ny. I would take all fences down and they could do to me whatever they wanted. Then when that happened and that news and along with the Wind Cave project came to light there would be more lawsuits. They want to control my land...Write the check.

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What is good for the govt isn't always so good for the people! Look at the testing requirements, we are required to test 100% while they are exempt!



What about their ground contamination? Are they having to maintain any high fences where positives have been located in the wild? NO!

Remember, As per Patty Kline at NADEFA, the wildlife agencies are exempted from these rules and standards.



Mike,

They don't have to write a check, there is no indemnification. You just have agreed to letting them do all these things to you, it is in your herd plan.

I had these emailed to me. This is what Wisconsin DNR considered a secure disposal site for wild deer that where CWD infected.

I'm sure they posted no trespassing signs for the deer and coyotes?

....and the crows