We tried inserting it and the state vets threw it out...they said this is a document regulating the cervid industry, not the wildlife agencies....we have tired everything possible to try and hold them to the same standards as we are held to and nothing has worked....hopeless case and I give up....if any of you have the ability to do so, more power to you.
Dwight,
I forgot to answer the rest of your questions....I believe Dr. Patty Klein was the one who picked the committee members, not John Fischer.
I also want everyone to know that the industry committee members have done all they can possibly do to try and make this an even playing field for the captive industry and the wildlife agencies, but industry has not been successful up to this point.
Laurie
I forgot to answer the rest of your questions....I believe Dr. Patty Klein was the one who picked the committee members, not John Fischer.
I also want everyone to know that the industry committee members have done all they can possibly do to try and make this an even playing field for the captive industry and the wildlife agencies, but industry has not been successful up to this point.
Laurie
Laurie Seale said:
Laurie,
The people on the committee, representing this industry, do not need to be working to make this an even playing field for the wildlife agencies. The wildlife agencies are working against our industry and we should not help them in that effort.
Laurie Seale said:
The state Vets. can't have it both ways. Either they are on our side, as was earlier reported, or they are not.
If this is truly a document regulating the cervid industry, the wildlife agencies have no business in this process. The wildlife agencies can't even properly manage the wildlife in their charge.
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Laurie Seale said:
So way back when, when someone accepted the rules and agreed it would be best to work at and fix the rules at the state levels. They were right?
If all states can make their rules would it not be best to work at that. Some states like Florida, which is now onboard to close their border, think its better to close then to work with the producers. USDA just sent our state the ok to still do business with states like Pa and Ohio whom are still working hard to be compliant but are still not on the list of approved states at this time!
But as is the case, our state is not going to do business with a state that does not fight cwd and are laxed in their ways. Hence Ny very well may be next to Florida on the list!
Laurie Seale said:
Mr Autry do you have any plans of answering This question posed to you by Laurie or are you going to keep side stepping it? You get on here and want answers from everyone else that post on here. How about a little reciprocation Autry.
The state Vets. can't have it both ways. Either they are on our side, as was earlier reported, or they are not.
If this is truly a document regulating the cervid industry, the wildlife agencies have no business in this process. The wildlife agencies can't even properly manage the wildlife in their charge.
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David L. Autry
David,
Once again I will tell you to stop saying two different things....you are one who said industry needed to finish the process and work to fix the document and that is what we are doing....that includes working with the wildlife agencies and the state vets....that's why they call it a working group! We cannot throw the wildlife agencies off of this working group! We tried to tell you and others that this process was flawed because of who made up the working group and yet you chose to finish the process so let's do what you wanted....some of you want it both ways and it is too late for that.
Laurie
If this is truly a document regulating the cervid industry, the wildlife agencies have no business in this process. The wildlife agencies can't even properly manage the wildlife in their charge.
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David L. Autry
David,
Once again I will tell you to stop saying two different things....you are one who said industry needed to finish the process and work to fix the document and that is what we are doing....that includes working with the wildlife agencies and the state vets....that's why they call it a working group! We cannot throw the wildlife agencies off of this working group! We tried to tell you and others that this process was flawed because of who made up the working group and yet you chose to finish the process so let's do what you wanted....some of you want it both ways and it is too late for that.
Laurie
So way back when, when someone accepted the rules and agreed it would be best to work at and fix the rules at the state levels. They were right?
If all states can make their rules would it not be best to work at that.
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Four Season Whitetails
Mike & Angie Kerry
Evans Mills, NY 13637
Mike,
You also were one who wanted to work to fix the document and criticized those of us who wanted to get rid of it...now it sounds like you want to go back to state rules and not federal rules....it's too late for that folks so let's move on and do what you and others asked us to do, try and fix the problem.
Laurie
If all states can make their rules would it not be best to work at that.
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Four Season Whitetails
Mike & Angie Kerry
Evans Mills, NY 13637
Mike,
You also were one who wanted to work to fix the document and criticized those of us who wanted to get rid of it...now it sounds like you want to go back to state rules and not federal rules....it's too late for that folks so let's move on and do what you and others asked us to do, try and fix the problem.
Laurie
Autry said:
http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fu...1613f1d6a42a60
The above link will provide you the answer for Wildlife having input for regulating our industry. Its really quite simple.
Most industry people are uninformed.
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Laurie Seale said:
Wrong answer!!!! Like i said from the start. It does not matter what you do at the top if the states can change it at any time. Shawn said this way back when and it still holds true today. I said all along we have to work within our state. I also told you from day 1 that states like Ny and a few others that dont want to see cwd again that the standard, The rule or anything else does not matter to them! cwd is not comin to town on their watch!
I also said from day one that every state that is run by the dnr and dec needs to do whatever it takes to get wildlife out of farming!
Autry said:
http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/brakke20/media/image0_zpsb8559a6a.jpg.html
I see that Dr. Klein's CV has now been removed from the CWD Alliance website, however, I happened to save a copy for your review.
I think we all agree having the wildlife agencies involved in the process is detrimental to our cause..... But if I am understanding Laurie correctly......they have tried to have them removed from the equation and have been unsuccessful to date.......it's almost as bad as having HSUS or PETA Having a say in our future.........folks, i don't know where this Federal Rule and the Standards are going to take us and I sure do appreciate all the efforts being put in towards fixing the verbiage to be as Deer Farmer Friendly as possible........I know there are many working their butts off on our behalf and I couldn't be more grateful..........I just don't see things being resolved in a fair way for us....as long as we have those (the wildlife agencies) involved........I honestly feel we need to hire a lawyer at this point and start investigating our options with regards to how unfairly we are being treated as an Industry........I personally don't think anything else is going to work at this point .......
Laurie Seale said:
Laurie,
I agree that the process is flawed due to the wildlife agencies being involved.
This is an agriculture industry and should be governed as such without negative input from the wildlife agencies that can't even manage their own wild animals let alone our captive animals. Ag officials know this industry and how to protect wildlife from disease in captive animals. They manage livestock all the time and have a great track record when compared to the wildlife agencies that have a poor track record with many diseased herds of free roaming animals.
If you knew beforehand that the wildlife agencies were still unwilling to abide by the same rules they want to force on us, you should have made that clear before this process started. These wildlife agencies should have never been allowed to be involved in the process unless they were willing to abide by the same rules just like this industry.
If the wildlife agencies want to be part of this process, hold their feet to the fire and make them abide by the rules they are pushing for.
David,
I think Laurie has said it a couple times now....they tried to have the wildlife agencies removed with no success.......and I am grateful for their efforts! But as I mentioned above, I believe we need to investigate our other options regarding litigation for the unfair treatment we are facing as an industry........
I think Laurie has said it a couple times now....they tried to have the wildlife agencies removed with no success.......and I am grateful for their efforts! But as I mentioned above, I believe we need to investigate our other options regarding litigation for the unfair treatment we are facing as an industry........
Rhonda Brakke said:
Rhonda,
I can't pull up this page, maybe because of my slow dial-up internet connection. Can you post it here?
ddwhitetails said:
DD,
Since the wildlife agencies are still refusing to abide by the very rules they want to force on us, I'm concerned that the working group will be a failure in regards to accomplishing anything positive for our industry. You may be right in that litigation may be the only relief for us. Each person, in this industry, needs to be ready to stand up to unfair treatment even if they have to fight the battle on their own, case by case.
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Autry said:
I agree Autry we are being left no other choices unless we just want to sit back and watch the industry die a slow and painful death!! I am afraid even with all the hard work and endless hours many have been putting forth on the industries behalf.....they are going to face an impossible task with the current players involved in the decisions being made......
