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Semen Production and Artificial Insemination of White-tailed Deer

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Texas: Brenham: Washington County Fairgrounds: March 20, 2010





Texas: Del Rio: City of Del Rio Civic Center: March 22, 2010

Robert, If your post is directed due to my posting the seminar info above I am so very sorry that I am not a good enough deer farmer for your taste.

You are completely correct in your assumption that asking a question on here replaces the 16 hours of classroom instruction and 2 hours of hands on practice with professionals at your side to aid you in the learning process.



I dare say it is your kind of attitude that causes people with knowledge to not post on here and help others. In fact I regret posting the seminar info.

The End.

Robert,

Give her (and me) a straight answer.......how much would you mix to fill a 50ML bottle of Telazol. Surely a "real" deer farmer like yourself has seen a 50ml bottle of Telazol. How much does a 50ml bottle of telazol cost? And be specific with your answer....tell me the amount of 100mg/ml xylazine it would take and also the amount of 350mg/ml xylazine. Since I am a "so-call" deer farmer, I am anxiously awaiting an answer from a "real" deer farmer.

So, Dassy, care to chime in, since we are all at each others throats for your benefit?????

We wonder why this industry is dying...It is because we are ripping each other apart!

I'm not ripping anyone. I can't answer Dassy's question and posted her email to get the answer from some of you. Can you help her and educate me at the same time? I would appreciate it.

BJ - you are no stranger to confrontation on here, so tell us - how do you constitute a 50ml bottle of telazol to get it full? What mg/ml ratio does it give you, and what are the sedative effects? I believe that all we are trying to establish is a clear understanding of the original question, which we still don't have. That is why I am asking Dassy to get back in and help fill in the blanks. There may be some info here that could have escaped us all, or we could be saving some deer their lives. Somewhere in the middle is a clear and concise answer. That is what I am interested in, nothing more.

Yes but instead of saving deer I feel you scared someone away who was asking for help who clearly needed it...And the main confrontation on here was about putting hot sauce on a new born fawn on parts of its body that should not have hot sauce on them and then they stick their face in it and get it into their eyes and mouth...I should have stated it a little different...but I still stand by my decision ...I do everything in my power to keep irritants and stuff away from my fawns not rub it on them...for something that is instinct which is search for a nipple to feed!

I do not feel you Two are wrong about the fact there is a problem...but wow you were harsh...I feel That will not help the deer.



OH YEAH the other huge confrontations were about red cap milk...I still have not lost a bottle raised fawn this year.Not one died...or starved or had broken bones ect.

If I scared someone away by waving the caution flag and stating how seriously we as deer farmers, whether real or not, need to take the potential severity of the meds and drugs that we use, then quite honestly, they need to be scared. I think that if being challenged by the facts runs you off, you have no business taking the lives of another living being or animal in your hands. There are 30 posts on this thread, and only 2 belong to Dassy, the person in need. Many people have stepped up with comments, thought provoking questions and advice, and Dassy is absent. What's up with that? Several of us are very confused by the nature/content of the original question, and instead of getting a clarification, this has just turned into another milk debate.



By the way, you didn't answer the question (maybe you forgot while defending your previous confrontations). How do YOU mix a 50 ml bottle of Telazol?

I feel he may have made a typing error, but have no idea...

At first I thought he may have confused it with tolazine...WHICH IS A HUGE BIG DEAL...but you Two are filled with info...

I just feel it was not a great way to welcome someone to the forum.Even a newbie can help if they have a problem that you have never dealt with...

That we all need help sometimes and there was a different way to handle it...

You have asked for help (we all have)...What if that answer was...are you stupid you don't know how to fix that... you should not have deer...Your problem is not solved and you probably won't ask for help again.

If I truly see an emergency...I say call me...If I have an answer

Well I just have to jump in on this - each of you have good points, but I sure hate to see this body (who have been a great help to me!) get at each other.



So let's all calm down and work together. There is a LOT of experience represented by this group!

Here is Dassy's original post........................



"As all of you know how much telazol is I have a question. I have been using 8cc of xylazine put in mixed into my telazol. I use 2 cc then to trank my bucks they go out like a light. It seems like a waste because I am not getting a full bottle when mixed. My question is how many cc do you put in your bottles of telazol to fill the bottle and how many cc do you use to trank your deer."



Besides being grammatically difficult to understand, the question is...... how many cc do you put in your bottles of telazol to fill the bottle and how many cc do you use to trank your deer?" The posts also states that he/she is having good success with the mixture rate he/she is using. There is also reference to waste. I do not understand the waste comment as I only mix what is necessary to do the job.



So, why would you want to fill a bottle (any size) completely if the mix you were using worked and you had some left over. Filling the bottle would give you more "waste". Wouldn't it?



This is clearly a post made by someone that either has no idea why the drugs are mixed in the first place or has the intent of trapping someone (as he/she did) into giving a dosage rate recommendation of an "off lable" drug, which in many states is considered a criminal offense.



If you read my past posts, you will find I am very mindful about recommending dosage rates and always refer the questioner to the lable directions or to consult a vet.



I take the authority my state gives me to possess and use these drugs seriously and will always challange someone who does not.



OK I have said my 2 cents worth on this topic and I'm done with it, unless Dassy sits down and composes a post that is coheirent.

I don't post on here very often, and that is for a variety of reasons. Lately it is because of lack of time. but this post is a little troubling.



It is very interesting where the posters are from, and that does have an influence on their responses. Scott, your main issue with the original post is the concentration of xylazine used. If Dassy is from the north, then she or her veterinarian may never of heard of more concentrated forms of xylazine. years ago, we had to make sure a vet was using 100 mg instead of 20mg/cc. Most in the north are just finding out about compounding labs that offer concentrated forms of xylazine, and very few use the drug.



Yes education is the answer, and there are a lot of people on this forum with a lot of experience and knowledge. But many are hesitant to contribute for fear of getting into an arguement. The purpose of a forum is sharing experience and helping others.



Just my opinion, but Scott, in your first response, maybe you could have just stated, that the mixing of these two drugs is dependant on many factors, including the concentration of xylazine used. And suggested that she attend a darting workshop.



We probably should of asked if she was using telazol from the usa or mexico, as the product in mexico can be at the same concentration as that in the usa, or in another version that is half the concentration of the usa product, but that is picking the fly manure from the pepper.



On the road and last response for a while,



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Mr Dassy,

I have not responded earlier and i can understand everyones concerns pertaining to these particular drugs as they can be very dangerous. With that being said I will say that I would not add more xylazine as most vets will tell you it can be very hard on an animals system, our AI vet mixes at a rat e of 3cc/to a bottle of Telazol, most deer farmers i know mix at a rate of 6cc/ to a bottle of telazol.



You need to also be sure of the strength of the xylazine you are using as there are diff strengths and this would mandate a diff mixture. The bottle of Telazol is not meant to be filled.

Dassy,

I believe a lot of confusion is coming from the fact as I know them is Telazol only is supplied in 5 ml bottles when reconstituted which would supply 100 mg/ml. I believe Dassy is using 8cc of xylazine per small bottle of Telazol (5 ml ) not a 50 ml bottle. With the increase of xylazine you are making it harder on your deer respiratory wise and I would personally only use 5cc to 6cc per bottle of Telazol. Telazol helps eliminate problems caused from xylazine like convulsion and seizures as I understand it. So the more xylazine you use the more chance of a problem. Stick with what is working for you. Just my opinion.

Dassy,



Make sure that you are not talking about adding xylazine to a 50ml bottle of tolazine. Tolazine is the reversal for xylazine and comes in a 50 ml bottle. The spelling of the tolazine (reversal) and telazol are very similiar and confusing.



Ray

OK, so you guys are trying to say that you never use xylazine by itself.???????

Robert,

No one should be upset with your post. This forum is for the sharing of information from a personal level. We are not prescribing any drugs only telling what has worked for us in the past with the use of off label drugs to try to help our deer when they are sick or in need of care.

Dassy,



What strength of Xylazine are you using? 100mg, 300mg, 333mg?