amount of drugs

Yes, I use straight zylazine 90 percent of the time. I have heard rumors that telazol is used for reasons other than the knockdown power but I only use it for those high strung, bad *** bucks that will not go down easily. Luckily, I have a mostly tame herd. Since I do not use much telazol, I have found a way to use what I need and keep the remainder from going bad, (don't really want to say how, since it is, I am sure, unconventional and may start another uproar), but it seems to work great.

I have never had, nor heard from other farmers I know, of having complications from using straight zylazine and do not understand why anyone would use such an expensive drug as telazol unless is was absolutely needed.

Oh, and so I don't forget... thanks for your earlier support, it was very much appreciated.

Alright. I was going to stay out of this, but you guys are killing me.

This post will no doubt tick off some people and make me look like a bad guy to some of you who can't handle being told the truth. But the fact that some come on here and claim that "newbies" and others should be able to get good and valuable info from this forum, but then they turn around and post crap that is giving out horrible advice just can't be left alone.



Years ago before the drugs we have today were available Xylazine (Rompun) was indeed used straight. But there was a time when having a few drinks at a party was considered ok to then go drive yourself home.



I will make this simple so everyone understands it and is not lost in the big fancy words that vets would use.



Xylazine (Rompun) depresses the central nervous system. It causes the animal to be drowsy, slows the heart rate and breathing. It decreases gut motility leading to bloat. And decreases the animals ability to control its own body temperature.

The drowsiness is the ONLY positive effect that we get from the use of Xylazine. All the other side effects are a negative and can lead to DEATH if too much Xylazine is used.

The animal can still feel pain and can still be stimulated enough to stir. If stimulating the animal does not produce movement that means the animal is overdosed or is very close to an over dose of the drug.

Let me repeat this, the animal can still feel pain using just Xylazine, and if the animal can't be stimulated enough to stir it is close to or already overdosed.



This is why we now use Telazol. When Telazol and Xylazine are used together we can give a much safer level (less amount) of Xylazine. The brand name drug Telazol has 2 drugs in it. One drug, (Zolazepam) provides a similar effect as the Xylazine but without the negative effects. Tiletamine is a dissociative drug so the animal becomes truly unconscious and won't feel pain sensation or have knowledge of everything being done to it. As I said Zolazepam which is one of the drugs in Telazol is like Xylazine, however Telazol by itself would not provide the total effect we want. That is why we use both Xylazine and Telazol together.



The Telazol can not be reversed but the Xylazine can. The Telazol lasts about 45 minutes and then the effects are gone. So the ideal thing to do is wait at least 45 minutes and then reverse the Xylazine using Tolazine. Then when the animal gets up they won't have the effects of the Telazol to deal with and they should be more stable and aware.



That is my explanation of the drugs and why we who believe in the Telazol/Xylazine combination use it that way.



For those who want to say the cost isn't worth using both drugs I say this. Maybe you should have to lay on a table while the doctors do whatever to you and be completely aware of everything. Feeling everything and scared crap less but unable to do anything about it.

Now go ahead and slam me for my post. I don't care, because I hate the idea that some new people, or people trying to cut corners would read that using Telazol is a waste of money and then risk their animals just to save a few dollars.

Well said Roger. Very well said.

Rodger, .....long and short of it.....go to a safe capture course, pay attention,don't fall asleep, do exactly as your taught, follow the tables for rates, don't cut corners and your never going to have a better Idea, of how it's done.





where did you get your crap cutting sword, I need to get a new one

This is fun Just goes to show you there's more than one way to skin a cat. Of course leeches used to be the most commonly used treatment for illness, too

I would like to take everyone back to the beginning of this thread and explain our original post. There is no doubt that Scott has amazing knowledge when it comes to taking care of deer, Roger and Robbie also. That has never been disputed. The problem is the condescending, holier than thou attitudes that occassionally come in to play when someone who isn't as knowledgable asks about anything they do not understand. Asking your advice is a part of research. Facts do not scare people, Robbie. Snotty attitudes scare people.

A person has the right to choose what may or may not work for them from any source they feel confident in.

There is no sense in laughing at, talking down to or making fun of someone because they do not yet have the knowledge and skills others have aquired.

Not everyone is going to agree with everything at all times. That's a given. But what should be done at all times is respecting each other.

I do not perform surgery on my deer, I do not put my deer in any type of pain that I could not handle myself without drugs. That is what I pay a veterinarian for. But when I need to move my deer, test for TB or anything else that can't be done on a fleeing deer, I use xylazine. I not only raise deer, I care about them and would never cause them undo pain to save a buck, (pun not intended).

Oh, and Droptine, leeches are still being used in the medical profession for skin grafts and reattachments-FDA approved

Dassy to answer your original question it takes 12cc of Xylazine to fill the 5ml bottle of telazol. I use 2cc for bucks and does and 1.5cc on calmer does and 1cc on my really calm does every deer is different as you get to know your animals you will find out how much drug each one needs. Some may not even need telazol but others may not go down without it. Hope this is what you were asking for.

Willows & Whitetails - I've read the other posts and agree with some and disagree with others. It is true everyone has their opinion and way they like to do things but we need to be aware that everything is not a grey area and that some things are black and white - there are absolutes! Hopefully when someone is giving advice they are giving it through "thorough" experience and not just what they heard, or at least stipulating which. As far as "most" vet advice goes and expecially "inexperienced with deer" vets advice goes, I would one hundred times over sooner consult an experienced deer farmer on the meds and treatment of deer for my herd. That is what I love about this forum. People on this forum within this last week have helped me save my most important buck fawn's life. Now, pertaining to the use of straight rompum I'm going to attempt to help you Willows & Whitetails save a deer's life and possibly save you from severe injury on yourself.

Of the first 15 deer or so that I put down using straight rompum I lost 2 of those. At least one of those 2 was from asperated pneumonia. When under the influence of rompum, a deer loses it's abiltiy to swallow. Asperated pneumonia is caused when a deer sucks some of their stomach contents that have gotten into their throat or mouth into their lungs during tranquilization. There are things that you can do that will aid in the prevention of this happening: Keep your deer in a sternal position with head propped up and never allowing the head and neck to be lower than the rest of the body - I also fast my deer from eating one full day before I put them down.

Since I quit using straight rompum and began using the mix of Telazol/rompum I've not lost one deer from the tranquilization, and I've probably put down 300 or so in the last 13 years. I mix 5cc of rompum to a bottle of Telazol. Last year I tried mixing 6cc/bottle and in using 2cc to put my 2 and 3 year old bucks down, I found myself way too often having to sneak up on them to push more into their rump before they were ready to handle. Normally a 2cc dart mixed 5cc/bottle puts them down and keeps them down, with rare occassion otherwise. It seems to me and for me that there is a significant difference in mixing it 5cc/bottle as opposed to 6cc/bottle, so I'm back to 5cc/bottle (or less sometimes). I wish they made 2 & 1/2 cc darts.

The troubles with using straight rompum are so significant and so numerous I would never consider using straight rompum unless I had absolutely no choice, and then I would hate to. Way to often deer do not go completely out with rompum. I promise, if you continue to use just straight rompum you will approach a deer that you will believe is out cold only to have them get up and run off. And if it's a buck with antlers and you happen to be in the way of where he wants to incoherantly run to, you could be in trouble. He could run you through with a tine and never intentionally try to do so. I once gave a doe 5 1/2 cc of straight rompum and she would still get up and run off on my approach.

Fact is, they go down quicker and deeper with the mix. And quicker and deeper is better for you and better for your deer for a multitood of reasons. Trust me Willows and Whitetails when I say this is one of those "absolutes."

A friend of mine who is a wildlife biologist in Colorado whom has tranquilized mountain lion, grizzly bears, elk, moose, sheep and deer humorously put it best I think. He said, "Rompum when used by itself sucks!" I hope this all helps you Willows and Whitetails. Good luck and God Bless.

Mark