Coccidia Health & Maintenance!!!

Marquis is a very well know drug in the horse industry - it is one of the only treatments available for EPM, a bacterial/neuroligical disease. It is a sulfa based drug, if I am not mistaken, just way stronger than the usual Albon, etc.

Susan,



From what I know coccidia lives in the soil, just like e-coli and clostridium. You may perhaps have elevated levels of coccidia in your soil for various reasons. Was your area used for grazing by sheep, goats or cattle in past years? Anyways, liming will not hurt anything and perhaps could even help alot.



If your area is damp and has alot of muddy topsoil, that could be your culprit. Topsoil will carry more bacteria than any other soild types. Just because topsoil is actually decaying matter.



I have had problems in the past and ALBON has done great for us. Not any generic, the real stuff.



If there is anything I can help with email or give me a call. 304-288-4090

Bovatec



Glad my input helped a little Susan. As John said you may only want to use it from spring to early fall and stop awhile before breeding. I've never heard that about it affecting breeding, so, glad you posted that John, I'll look into it. You should check with Manufacturer about dosage. I remember them saying there was a low dose and a high dose treatment for Goats per 100lbs being treated. I like to do things right so this is just my opinion. We prefer to mix the proper amount in for about two days worth of feed. That way we KNOW the proper amount is being given, and it keeps YOU in control. Everyone has an opinion about Feed Mills, I just think THEY don't pay as close attention to detail as WE need. In large batches of feed mixes, is what you need evenly mixed??? Just my thoughts...



Everyone else has really good valid points! All things that need to be considered. It's all about detail and creating an optimum environment!

Which by the way is a never ending job

What we have found is fawns allowed to nurse for 72 hours prior to pulling them from the doe, are much less suseptible to coccidia. In cases where the fawn or doe are not in trouble, we try not to pull the fawn until it is 3 days old. Are they harder to catch? In a word YES!, but there is never any doubt as to whether they recieved the colostrum they require.

redwood_river_whitetails said:

Our vet feels since our herd has never been afflicted with this before, that immunity (which does get established eventually in the older animals) has not been established throughout the herd.

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Scott Heinrich said:

but there is never any doubt as to whether they received the colostrum they require.

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These two statements speak in very large volume. Let me explain;



I see it every year on the forums where as soon as a deer coughs, everyone is suggesting the use of hardcore drugs to treat something that may never be there. Using Draxxin, Dexamethasone and a number of other hard core drugs to treat simple problems only represses the immune system and works towards building up a resistance to the effectiveness of our last ditch effort products/drugs.



An animal needs to develop and pass along to the next generation a resistance or immunity to new forms/strains of parasites, viruses and bacteria. If we are constantly intervening with drugs, powerful drugs I will add, the animal never really gets or has the opportunity to actively form a immunity, let alone pass it on to the next generation. Each generation that is produced from an over drug maintained herd will have a weaker immunity and require even more drug intervention to help it combat the things that go bump in the night.



I am not a huge fan of playing "Doogie Howser MD" more than once or possibly twice with any breeding animal. The immune system should be a top priority in breeding selection right along side other key factors such as antler development. It doesn't matter if you can grow a 500" buck, it should matter if you can grow a 500" buck that can throw a strong immune system to its offspring.



As a genetic line becomes more and more dependent on drug intervention to sustain immunity, it also becomes weaker and more prone to vanish as the cost involved to maintain that line outweighs the benefits of continuing to breed with it.



Redwood, I admire your ambition and dedication to your animals. You used these forums as a tool to collect opinions and then used those opinions to consulted with a vet. I highly commend you for that. For people like you, it still gives me hope that some of us put the animals well being before the greed of a dollar. I just want to let you know that anytime you may need help, I will be here 24/7.



You've just earned my utmost respect!!





Regards,

John Swank

Redwood I too admire the fact your willing to work with your vet . I can't say enough about the vets, they are learning right along with us and we all need to work together . No one goes to school to be a deer vet !! They're either into the large animal program which is mostly cattle and horses, pigs or sheep or they're in the small animal programs ...dogs, cats , birds ,ect house type pets . Be thankful there are vets out there willing to work with us . They don't need the grief many deer farmers/ government prgrams lay on them , they all got more than enough work so we need them allot more than they need us . Just my opinion ~~

I just found today that my 4 month old doe fawn had blood coming out of her rectum when she pooped that was in the morning when I went back in the afternoon she had no blood in the poop she has a fellow 6 week old fawn with her in the pen she wont eat from the bottle anymore but she eats the feed and the grass does anyone have any suggestions?????.

Marquis will kill the coccidia, google it to find a place that sells one tube instead of the usual three tube sold for horses.Runs about $200 for one tube. One or two doses and the coccidia is dead.