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fawn concern that i havent had before

Joined Apr 2009
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cental Pennsylvania
I have a 1.5 week old fawn that is on the momma. it appeared to be born healthy. I checked on him his first 3 days, he seemed fine. then i got busy at work and i havent checked the fawn pens until last night. when i found and checked this fawn, I noticed he appeared very sluggish, i had to force him to stand and when he did he was very shakey. he then tried to run, but when he ran he acted like a deer that was shot in the lungs and ready to fall over any second. he cannot get his legs to work like he wants them too, he is trying, but its like his legs cant keep up with his body language. I immediatly thought he has to have a selenium deficiancy, so i gave him bo-se last night. he wasnt much better yet tonight, so i gave him vitamin A/D and pen G (pen G was just incase it is an ear infection causing balance issues) along with a tube of probiotics tonight.

he was only given probiotics and a 1/2 cc of bo-se at birth. My feed is loaded with minerals, even selenium, which he should be getting through his moms milk, but this guy honestly appears to have some kind of vitamin or mineral deficiancy. Any thoughts?? I need to work quickly with this guy, I got a feeling he's going to go downhill very quickly if i cant correct this issue now.
 
he simply may not be getting fed, Mom could have an issue with milk production mastitus, etc. I would pull him and feed some electrolytes alternated with milk and see if he doesnt perk up. If he does you know what the problem was.
 
I would get some c&d antitoxin in him as soon as possible, just in case its clostridium, I know of a few cases here in Pa, Good Luck



Scott Neeb

Chanllow farms

In the heart of Pa Dutch country
 
Antlershed see if that fawn may have white watery poop . I`ve had mother raised fawns that have gotten Ecoli and i didn`t know but found out that the white poop was the key. Thats when I started getting my mother raised fawns up twice a day so i could check their butts out . Normally when i have a fawn with Ecoli there would be fliies all around it`s butt . Yes they will go down quickly .
 
Good thought Neeb !!! That`s a thought if he hasn`t been boostered . Thats why I went to Alpha 7 so i didn`t have to booster mother raised fawns till late winter or early spring .
 
What i have done because they go done hill quick i sneak up because they don`t move too fast and hit them with tetradure dex mix . Thats just what i do !! I`m Polish though !!! lol If its a watery white . Take a sample to have it tested to make sure . if in doubt hit.
 
From your description of his gait, it reminded me of three cases of clostridia that I've had. With clostridia, he should be going into, or already in shock by now as his internal organs start getting messed up. If that's the case, the C+D antitoxin should help if it's not too late. Did you give him any (2-3 cc) corn syrup, molasses, or honey to boost his suger level? That should give him some quick energy to perk him up. Did you give him any vit. B--possibly a thiamine deficiency? Does he look and feel dehydrated? If so, you might want to tube him to make sure he's getting the nutrition he needs. I haven't seen Dr. Joe on here the past couple of days, but when I had a sick fawn last week, he really helped me out with his advice.

Good luck and I hope it works out well for you.
 
Well, I came home early today, and now the fawn cant stand at all. his stomache was caved in. he was completely dehydrated.

I took him in, gave him a whole bottle of ringers solution, and, I kid you not withing 5 minutes he was walking. I then offered a him a bottle and he took 3 ounces, he wanted more, but he got weak and fell over. I will let him rest and allow the ringers solution kick in and allow him to be a little more perky and I will try and feed him in about an hour.

So i now believe this is a case of neglect from the mother, as uncle harley suggested above. I believe he has eaten plenty when he was born and a few days following, or he would'nt have still been alive today, he is 10 days old, but at some point the mother just quit on him. His poop is fine, its solid, half tan, half brown. I know from past expierences if the poop is tan, that means they are not being fed enough, or are becoming dehydrated

Should i offer colostrum still? I imagine he didnt get enough, correct me if I am wrong, but I would think colostrum at this age may cause scours.

He's got a LONG road to recovery, and its probably too late now, but I have to try all I can as I would with any fawn in his situation, but to make matters worse this is the best genetically born buck fawn ever born on my farm. Sometimes you just cannot win, I am just really bumming now. Give me 100 fawns with no pedigrees and they'll all be alive in the fall,no issues at all, then give me 8 of the best genetic buck fawns on the market and 4 will be dead in a month.. thats how it goes here at my place i guess. The only way i can cheer myself up is to remember how blessed i am to own deer and to have the health to do it.

Thank you all so much to all for your concern, I will keep you updated.
 
Matt, I would think that if he has lived 10 days he should have gotten enough colostrum. The weak fawns that I am forced to bottle I use Manna Pro Colostrum Supplement on for at least 3 days,then mix half and half with replacer for a few more days. It just seems to help them get their energy level back to norm. I have never had a problem with the Manna Pro Supplement. Good luck with the little fellow, I know you will do all you can. Allen
 
Matt, I feel for you pal. I have had the EXACT same situation here. Same symptoms with fawns from some of my best pedigrees.



I was able to save some of mine with 1cc of Baytril and 2cc B complex.



I contribute some of my problems to some of my does feeding all the fawns in the pen. It seems some of my older fawns eat too much, while some of the youger, weaker ones aren't getting enough. I lost one to scours. He was my biggest buck fawn. I am now thinking he may have gorged himself on colostrum from other does and the newborns didn't get what they were suppose to. Either way it is unfortunate.



I wish you the best. If it matters any, your not the only one that has this same bad luck.
 
I would be thinking about giving him a shot of Thiamine. I sure don't think it would hurt anything and it might just help in this situation. Wish you the best with this little guy...
 
It is my understanding that colostrum is absorbed and utilized only in the first hours of his life. After three days, its on to the next stage. Good luck to you Matt. Id say it was GOOD luck that you found the bugger before it was too late...
 
I am in the exact same situation, I found an unknown fawn in the pen couldnt even oper her eyes thought she was dead when to pick her up and she was still kinda warm and I fet a heart beat under her armpit. I immediatly gave her electrolytes and after awhille milk. She is happy and healthy today. I would second the thiamin as well.
 
Dosage is 1 cc per 35 pounds bodyweight up to three times per day IM, SQ, or orally If using B-complex you will have to increase dosage to match the Thiamine dose.
 
I want to thank you all, i have used advice from all of you in one way or another on his long road to recovery, I am happy to report he is sucking back 10 ounces 3X a day right now. It took 3 long miserable days to get him to suck on his own, for those 3 days i had to tubefeed him and forcefeed milk out of the bottle it would take me upto 20 minutes to get 3 ounces in him when forcefeeding him.

The only problem i still have is that his back legs still bow, Should i continue with more vitamin B and BoSe, they have definately helped because just 5 days ago he could not stand up to support his body weight. I dont know which is helping more, but i have given 1 cc vitamin B every other day for about 6 days, it has been about a week since i gave him 1 cc of BoSe. So i think i will give BoSe tomorrow to see if it helps.
 

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