To add: My daughter just called me to inform me that a friend of hers found 2 fawns. One was hung up in a fence, the other laying nearby. I told her to tell her friend to take them back to where they were found and hurriedly said goodbye to my daughter so she could call her friend with that advice and get those fawns right back out. Obviously, with the one that was not caught in the fence laying nearby, Momma is not far away. But to turn Ashley's fawn loose where it was found, given the time that has lapsed since its removal, is certainly risking not being found, not being accepted back, and being made into a meal for a coyote as it bleats for its Momma.
Fawn... maybe not for me- please help!!
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PLus taking in a wild deer could make us lose our certified time I would presume. I would love to take in a wild fawn to raise, I do it to other animals I find, but again, even though I dont have any deer yet, the leglities override my feelings for the deer. Who would take care of it if I went to jail because I had it?
Thank you all for your help, now that the fawn has started eating and is on its way to what I assume to be healthy, its going to a new home tomorrow. As I mentioned before I never wanted it as a pet, a bit too much work compared to say a normal "domestic" pet. I was more concerned with it surviving until it could be passed along to people who could take good care of it. Thank you again for everyone who helped me.
Ashley
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Why is it when a person asks for help, they also have such attitude? When you come to the www for help, and go to a deer farming group, what would you expect? Of course we care about the animal, just as you do. We also care about the industry, and we pride ourselves in giving accurate answers, which must include legal stuff as well as the fact that all fawns are orphans and better off released back, even if that means another member of nature gets the fawn. Its not always warm and fuzzy. Nobody was disrespectful. I can see why theres such a turn over in people that help on this site. I guess I come from a time where you can just say whats what, and not sugar coat it to suit others.
Hello, im Ashleys Dad.....
For the people here who offered "actual" help ,my hats off to you, as for the others, well your day will come. I hope none of you speed, kill over the limit, cheat on your taxes, cheat on your wives, drink liquor, smoke, use drugs or cuss. I hope youre good to your kids never short with them, tithe at your local church, work the food lines with the salvation army,Volunteer your time whereever youre needed...
BECAUSE it would seem almost all of you with the excetion of a couple will be in the front of the line at the peraly gates telling Jesus Christ how perfect of a life you led.............................Some how i bet he will agree with me that you were no better than i. But then again you will probably be quoting the bible to him and telling him "how it is" I would also suspect he would be greatful for anyone giving a helping hand to a precious fawn that needed a little help.
I have other words for most of you but i would never put them here........
I hope the "industry" will be able to recover with as much damage as we did!
God Bless a few of you, and there's another place for most of you!
Good DAY
For the people here who offered "actual" help ,my hats off to you, as for the others, well your day will come. I hope none of you speed, kill over the limit, cheat on your taxes, cheat on your wives, drink liquor, smoke, use drugs or cuss. I hope youre good to your kids never short with them, tithe at your local church, work the food lines with the salvation army,Volunteer your time whereever youre needed...
BECAUSE it would seem almost all of you with the excetion of a couple will be in the front of the line at the peraly gates telling Jesus Christ how perfect of a life you led.............................Some how i bet he will agree with me that you were no better than i. But then again you will probably be quoting the bible to him and telling him "how it is" I would also suspect he would be greatful for anyone giving a helping hand to a precious fawn that needed a little help.
I have other words for most of you but i would never put them here........
I hope the "industry" will be able to recover with as much damage as we did!
God Bless a few of you, and there's another place for most of you!
Good DAY
Now wait a minute, what is going on here? No one insulted her or told her to go kill the fawn. Noo one said that she was a bad person for trying to help what she thought was a helpless animal. No one belittled her. If I speed, I would hope someone would tell me that it was illegal if I didnt already know. I cuss, but not in mixed company. I dont drink, I dont smoke, I dont use illegal drugs. I dont cheat on my taxes, I dont have a wife to cheat on, even though I never did while we were married. You are acting like we called her names and cussed at her or said that she was stupid when we did NONE of that. We tried to educate her on how things work in the deer world and tried to protect her from getting into trouble by being naive in the laws of your state.Not a single one of us stated that we were any better than anyone else. Maybe a bit more knowledgable than some like your daughter, but not better. I am taking acception to an apparent attack when we did nothing but tried to help in a situation that probabaly shouldn't have happened. No additional info was given to quell the ones that were teling her to be careful of the laws or how the fawn came to be "orphaned". Also looking at the use of the emmoticons and the way supposed newbies worked the forum so quickly, I am starting to suspect something. Maybe it's just me being paranoid of the tree huggers?
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Ashley,
What I did was advise you about the possible legal issues of taking in a fawn and try to point you in the direction of the proper authorities. I never once told you to kill the fawn or anything even close to that. I was just giving you the best advice that I could based on my experience. Excuse me if I offended you or anyone else. I was just trying to help.
PHP:
What I did was advise you about the possible legal issues of taking in a fawn and try to point you in the direction of the proper authorities. I never once told you to kill the fawn or anything even close to that. I was just giving you the best advice that I could based on my experience. Excuse me if I offended you or anyone else. I was just trying to help.
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Mark you gave sound advice and did no wrong.Trust me alot of folks were watching this post and im sure had nothing but that fawns health in mind. Most sat back and said nothing..Myself included..Because she was geting sound advice on the care of the fawn and the legal issues..You guys did her and the fawn right and im sure she will realize that in time...
When I read Ashley's Dads scolding message to us, I had to go back to the original post again for fear we had just mistakenly talked wrongly to a child. She clearly stated in her initial post that nursing school had not readied her for this fawn, so Im guessing his daughter must be at least what...5 years old by the sound of her Dad's words ?... or at least 19 yrs by my guess. Lets hope our literal and real words of advice might guide her with that fawn better then her Dads efforts here.
Funny how you are so religious yet you are so willing to send us all to hell. Seems that old addage about the falling apple applies well here.
You see, Ashleys Dad, we as deer farmers get these questions online as well as locally every day during fawning season. We see too many fawns wind up in the hands of well meaning but misguided people. We watch helplessly as folks try to "help" nature and unfortunately, this usually ends up in a dead end for the fawn. Scours, dehydration, vulnerability to dogs, and malnutrition are just a few of the examples of the future of so many so-called orphan fawns. Male fawns that loose their fear of humans become a threat to you later, too. So, when we honestly yet firmly give very limited help and also some legal advice as a gentle deterrant, we fully expect the person asking to see better of it, and do whats best. As for God, all of us with faith know all too well how blessed by God we are to even be able to own and run our deer farms.
If you feel we were unreasonable or harsh with your daughter, you both are in for a big surprise because life isnt any different.
You said... "I would also suspect he would be greatful for anyone giving a helping hand to a precious fawn that needed a little help." ...Did it ever occur to you that it might be He who sent Ashley here?
Funny how you are so religious yet you are so willing to send us all to hell. Seems that old addage about the falling apple applies well here.
You see, Ashleys Dad, we as deer farmers get these questions online as well as locally every day during fawning season. We see too many fawns wind up in the hands of well meaning but misguided people. We watch helplessly as folks try to "help" nature and unfortunately, this usually ends up in a dead end for the fawn. Scours, dehydration, vulnerability to dogs, and malnutrition are just a few of the examples of the future of so many so-called orphan fawns. Male fawns that loose their fear of humans become a threat to you later, too. So, when we honestly yet firmly give very limited help and also some legal advice as a gentle deterrant, we fully expect the person asking to see better of it, and do whats best. As for God, all of us with faith know all too well how blessed by God we are to even be able to own and run our deer farms.
If you feel we were unreasonable or harsh with your daughter, you both are in for a big surprise because life isnt any different.
You said... "I would also suspect he would be greatful for anyone giving a helping hand to a precious fawn that needed a little help." ...Did it ever occur to you that it might be He who sent Ashley here?
Hey Guys...I think we really need to move on from here. It's over...and I think that Ashley's post #25 typed @12:20 am yesterday signified that. None of us are perfect...Ashley's not, I'm not, you're not, and nobody on this forum is. There is only One that ever walked on this planet that was perfect, and its not any of us. Certainly easy to become self righteous or to be offended. I fight it every day. As we realize that none of us are perfect, it opens the door up to be more compassionate, understanding, and forgiving of each other.