Fawn with lumpy jaw

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So why pump them full of drugs when something happens to them? I have had 5 deer with lump jaw and all of them never got drugs and the lump went away by themselves... People wonder why some drugs are not effective any more hmmm maybe they're over used the bacteria has built an immunity to it....




Yup then we can watch the ones at times that break like mine and you can watch flies crawl through the hole about as big as a golf ball in the side of their face and then watch those same flies fly out through her open mouth. Not good when you can count the teeth of your deer from the outside. Glad i had drugs!!!!


 I get your point though!

I do get the idea of not over using drugs. In fact I often think about going back to using no drugs at all ever and let be what will be. But it also seems like ignoring what is available to save and comfort our livestock is a poor way of doing business as well.

All that said, Delhi India is one of the most disgusting places I have ever been. During a 30 minute ride between the airport and the hotel it is common to see guys peeing and crapping along the roadway. If your out for a walk and see crap on the side of the sidewalk it is safe to say it wasn't from a dog. To say things and people there are less than sanitary would be an under statement. Many of my co-workers have gotten sick and two needed medical attention because of how severe it was.

I say all this because as poor as conditions are people there simply don't get sick as much as people in the U.S. They have a stronger natural ammunity to illness. They also don't use medications as much as folks in the U.S. Although getting any kind of meds is simple to do. They just don't use them as much. Maybe due to lack of money more than anything.

Not all lumps are'lumpy jaw'

Localized lumps around the side of their cheeks are usually minor abscesses. If I can get them witin a day or two nuflor and la300 will take them right down, if later than that I let them pop on their own, May take a week or so. If there is generalized swelling it is likely 'lumpy jaw'

How about trying the Red Ridge vaccine. Two different fusobacterium samples were taken from DEER and identified. One was from the lungs and the other from a LUMP in the jaw. If effective there would be no more using any drug for lumpy jaw treatments. We could then all have "Delhi immunity" to lumpy jaw. Lol

i agree Bell Vaccine is a great way to take care of lumpy Jaw, we vaccinated our does in march the last two years now, and we had no issuses with lumpy jaw in the fawns since we started this.

Again I have to agree with you Ryan. It's like a kid being put on medicine cause he is too hyper. Then the kid becomes a zombie. And then a drug addict. Becomes very dependent on medication


I gave no shots or antibiotics to fawns this year and all r doing great. (Knock on wood) A few farms in my area gave shots to prevent certain things and they are having MAJOR PROBLEMS with losing fawns..

With all that being said. I will give wormers and vaccinations for pneumonia and such. I just don't like pumping them full of 3 or 4 (or more) different drugs at the same time. Who's to say that this worked and that drug didn't when the deer/fawn has that many medications running through its body, how can u tell

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How about trying the Red Ridge vaccine. Two different fusobacterium samples were taken from DEER and identified. One was from the lungs and the other from a LUMP in the jaw. If effective there would be no more using any drug for lumpy jaw treatments. We could then all have "Delhi immunity" to lumpy jaw. Lol




 While I agree that using a vaccine specifically for cervids does reduce the incidence of facial abscesses it will not most likely eliminate them. I don't want you or anyone else to get the wrong impression about any vaccination program for that matter.


 


 Here are a couple  things that will greatly decrease the prevalence of 12px  Fusobacterium necrophorum


 


Vaccinate regularly- bi-annual boosters


 


 


Reduce the amount of animals that co mingle.


 


Reduce the amount of animals per acre


 


Also try and keep pastures well drained.


 


Keep most of your pasture trimmed regularly. Sun light is good!


 


The first two are the most important for any disease/bacteria prevention with cervids.

Josh,

The additional info is helpful. I understand the vaccine isn't the end all remedy. There was some humor intended in my last post. The poor people described in a previous post living like animals and due to their lifestyles have built immunity to a lot of things the average person hasn't because they aren't exposed. I was trying to make a parallel between their crude animalistic ways and their health to my herds health. I agree very much about the importance of reducing numbers co-mingling. That's was part of my reasoning on another topic when I stated "I didn't think it was a good idea to move mothers around just prior or right after birth". It is our goal to understand the pecking order in our doe pens prior to fawning so we can keep the same groups together thus reducing co-mingling. Stress is the trigger for fuso because it weakens the immune system.

I agree with Jerri Lee the little quarter sized knot abscesses on the corner of the mouth in the skin of the cheek are irritation from eating sharp grass etc. the fawn isn't used to. This abscess is not caused by fuso. It will swell and pop and often heal on its own. Lumpy jaw goes much deeper in the tissue and jaw bone. It generally surfaces itself after an animal is stressed. The whole side of the jaw and head swells, abscesses, and may rupture exposing bones. The jaw may also fracture and teeth may fall out and death will likely occur if it's not treated. This discussion is productive and informative to me. I have learned fuso-infections can occur throughout the whitetails body. Thanks Rick for posting your original question.

Rick

Your original question was good. I think a lot of deer farmers deal with problems caused by fusobacterium and they don't realize it. Most fuso related infections in deer are caused by a completely different fuso-strain than the one in fuso-guard . Fuso-guard is a waste of your time and money. The commercial vaccine is also hard on little newborn fawns. I hope you didn't get advice on this forum to vaccinate at birth with fuso-guard. Many infectious bacteria are killed by both Draxxin and Nuflor. I think Draxxin was developed to treat bacterial pneumonia caused by fusobacterium specifically. It is always better to start with a lesser potent antibiotic and not overdose a fawn.

I also know of a real live human weasel right in your neck of the woods who if you turned your head a second might have chewed the ears on your fawns. Shamefully I let him weasel me more than once. lol

Draxxin & NuFlor in combination are GREAT on Pneumonia and a repeat dose at 3 days later has worked wonders for us!


 


But on other problems starting at light end of the spectrum and working to the high end is my opinion a better route. When you start the other route first and work back the Draxxin will still be in the animals system and be working AGAINST most other meds you then try!

Draxxin Injectable Solution Indications


Beef And Non-lactating Dairy Cattle


BRD - DRAXXIN Injectable Solution is indicated for the treatment of bovine respiratory disease (BRD) associated with Mannheimia haemolytica, Pasteurella multocida, Histophilus somni, and Mycoplasma bovis; and for the control of respiratory disease in cattle at high risk of developing BRD associated with Mannheimia haemolytica, Pasteurella multocida, Histophilus somni, and Mycoplasma bovis.


IBK - DRAXXIN Injectable Solution is indicated for the treatment of infectious bovine keratoconjunctivitis (IBK) associated with Moraxella bovis.


Foot Rot - DRAXXIN Injectable Solution is indicated for the treatment of bovine foot rot (interdigital necrobacillosis) associated with Fusobacterium necrophorum and Porphyromonas levii.


Antibiotic macrolides are used to treat infections caused by Gram-positive bacteria (e.g., Streptococcus pneumoniae) and Haemophilus influenzae infections such as respiratory tract and soft-tissue infections. The antimicrobial spectrum of macrolides is slightly wider than that of penicillin, and, therefore, macrolides are a common substitute for patients with a penicillin allergy. Beta-hemolytic streptococci, pneumococci, staphylococci, and enterococci are usually susceptible to macrolides. Unlike penicillin, macrolides have been shown to be effective against Legionella pneumophila, mycoplasma, mycobacteria, some rickettsia, and chlamydia.