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I have re-read this thread trying to get a better understanding of what the "Federal CWD Rule" really is. Sounds like the proposed rule does nothing to prevent each state from setting their own rules that are more constrictive than what is in the federal rule. As long as the states have the ability to do that what good is any federal rule.

What am I missing?
 
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the big thing is no INDEMNIFICATION!!!!!! If we sign we agree that they can kill our animals, get no compensation and we have to pay for everything, because of something that started in Ft Collins, CO !
 
That is always the case with any federal rule - it is the minimum. In an earlier post it was explained when CWD hit 10 years ago some states had no rules and no guidelines to make rules. Without some sort of testing requirements deer would not be able to move - that is just a fact. The initial hope was that the federal rule would be the general guideline that most states would adopt, and silence some critics by saying we have adopted the federal rule. Well since it took them 10 years to come up with one - we are so past that, it is ridiculous. Add to that, the federal rule is more restrictive than state rules, and it messes everything up.
 
BMAYES said:
I have re-read this thread trying to get a better understanding of what the "Federal CWD Rule" really is. Sounds like the proposed rule does nothing to prevent each state from setting their own rules that are more constrictive than what is in the federal rule. As long as the states have the ability to do that what good is any federal rule.

What am I missing?
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You are right, if the federal rule was accepted, all states would have to comply with the federal standards. Each state could still make their own set of rules above and beyond the federal rule.



My vote is to get it right, or THROW IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Seems reasonable that our industry would oppose and fight the proposed federal rule with all that we have.

Is there anyone out there that can argue the other side of this issue?
 
Clearview Whitetails said:
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the big thing is no INDEMNIFICATION!!!!!! If we sign we agree that they can kill our animals, get no compensation and we have to pay for everything, because of something that started in Ft Collins, CO !
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Thats correct..Ny says they have no money! So they shut you down. Make you double fence and close your doors for 5 years! Either way..You lose and they dont have to pay you money! The states can do anything they want and can make the federal rule look nice. Hence where the idea of working with the states came from. Play ball their way or dont play at all! Go Figure!
 
I forgot to mention, i heard today that a certain person... (a person that should be on our side),.. is calling around and lobbying to get the Federal Standards passed. And claims once it is passed we can then go back and "CHANGE & FINE tune the rule". Ya right!!!!!!!!! We all know what kind of chances we have in changing a federal rule once it is in place. Ha!!
 
Again, I don't know much about this but I want to learn the facts. Why would you want to pass something that appears to be bad for the industry with the hopes of fixing it after the fact. Why not just get it right, then pass something that the industry supports.

I suppose it must be more complicated than that but I don't understand why it would be.

I would sure like to hear the reasoning.
 
Bluff Country Whitetails said:
I forgot to mention, i heard today that a certain person... (a person that should be on our side),.. is calling around and lobbying to get the Federal Standards passed. And claims once it is passed we can then go back and "CHANGE & FINE tune the rule". Ya right!!!!!!!!! We all know what kind of chances we have in changing a federal rule once it is in place. Ha!!
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Hmmm... I believe I have heard this before!!!!
 
I agree with you Bill, we need to make it right first. Unfortunately that probably isn't going to happen with Patty Klein and the Wildlife agencies sitting on the standards committee. They have no intentions of even listening to the state vets and our industry leaders. They are totally deaf to any input other than their own.
 
Bluff Country Whitetails said:
I forgot to mention, i heard today that a certain person... (a person that should be on our side),.. is calling around and lobbying to get the Federal Standards passed. And claims once it is passed we can then go back and "CHANGE & FINE tune the rule". Ya right!!!!!!!!! We all know what kind of chances we have in changing a federal rule once it is in place. Ha!!
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I believe I may have heard this too.....why are we not asking this person and letting them explain themselves? Why don't we just come out and ask him?:confused:
 
Maybe it is easier to make changes later????Don't know. To get the rule in place, they have to have a whole list of people sign off and review it - maybe the process is easier to change it.
 
If it took 10 years to get the "Rule" then how long do you think it would take to "FINE TUNE" them...........?





Is it TRUE ?..........NADeFA is lobbying to get this passed. ?
 
Bluff Country Whitetails said:
I agree with you Bill, we need to make it right first. Unfortunately that probably isn't going to happen with Patty Klein and the Wildlife agencies sitting on the standards committee. They have no intentions of even listening to the state vets and our industry leaders. They are totally deaf to any input other than their own.
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The great thing about throwing the rules out is there is a good chance that we can come back to the table without the wildlife groups involved. New working groups will be appointed. . Shawn's strategy at the NADEFA meeting was to do just as you said. Pass the rules and work them backwards. The trouble is the government has no reverse. It's taken ten years to get where we are with the rules. The last three years we been trying to change them . What makes anyone think we can work them backwards ?
 
Maybe by working them backwards as you say, we can do things without having all these negative entities involved. It took ten years to get this far and the results are questionable, but being done with the continual long list of reviews before it can be finalized needs to be done too.
 
Wild Rivers Whitetails said:
Maybe by working them backwards as you say, we can do things without having all these negative entities involved. It took ten years to get this far and the results are questionable, but being done with the continual long list of reviews before it can be finalized needs to be done too.
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This is a good question, and one that i was brought up to Dr Klein. Her response to the question was that she CANNOT guarantee the cervid industry that is will be the final document. It will be open to public comment (QDMA and others that hate us) could force USDA/APHIS to make changes to the document.
 
You guys are missing the point.

We have no say the rule is in place. We will have to live with it. The comment period is over and it is up to the states to comply with the rule if they are going to.



The Associationions are pushing the acceptance of the rule to have a united front. If we don't we will have more of the same closed states open states and no chance to change the rule.

We have all been on here wanting the borders open. This is a means to it. This gives us teeth in law suits.



The rule came out a bad bad rule! It is what we have to work with and it isn't going away. We can work to get it changed together or die. Sorry this is just the way I see it.



Get your state to opt out of the rule and your state is closed period! That's the rule and it sucks!



So in my useless opinion I say we all get behind all of the associations and band together and help get the states to sign on and then work to change it from the inside.
 
gcw matt said:
You guys are missing the point.

We have no say the rule is in place. We will have to live with it. The comment period is over and it is up to the states to comply with the rule if they are going to.



The Associationions are pushing the acceptance of the rule to have a united front. If we don't we will have more of the same closed states open states and no chance to change the rule.

We have all been on here wanting the borders open. This is a means to it. This gives us teeth in law suits.



The rule came out a bad bad rule! It is what we have to work with and it isn't going away. We can work to get it changed together or die. Sorry this is just the way I see it.



Get your state to opt out of the rule and your state is closed period! That's the rule and it sucks!



So in my useless opinion I say we all get behind all of the associations and band together and help get the states to sign on and then work to change it from the inside.
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Oh my lord! Thank You! Our state laughs at the federal rule!
 

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