Just hoe doe update, NOTHING!! ZILCH!! i think this why i started AI SUCKS, way back. But i know it just beginners luck. BUT what are the chances of 2 yr old backup breeding over and over one three or four times, 4 adult.one big fawn. so we actually got a mid sept date on one still pending, so ATYPICAL looks like you guess may be right.none others live bred,so i hope this last date dont either! i hope you win! i dont want a sept fawn. long story short, i sold him Yesterday. he was the one that broke antler smoothy off, it finnaly started growin back, he ended up 12 point 6 on each, dont know if he was sterile,something was wrong, anyway i got decent price, so for blutongue got him i saw green ,my looks pretty!! Keith did you want cookie or straw?