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This is off of a forum on another site i frequent called ohiosportsman.com. How would you guys address this to show this man how wrong he is I need stone facts. This man has posted this on a public forum with hundred of thousands of members. I just didn't want it to put a bad taste in all of those guys mouths about deer farms. They don't realize how great it is to have these animals. If you guys have any hardcore evidence on where it was originated where it spread to ect.... Any info would be great. Or you guys can all get on there and bash him yourselves. Thankyou



it was posted by BROKENWINDmight be code for stinker not sure



Actually, If I saw a deer with a tag or orange collar like that running around, I think it should be shot immediately. That is how CWD got started in the states that it is in.



Farm raised deer (pet deer) got loose and spread it to the wild populations. I doubt the DNR would even make you burn your tag for it. They probably would thank you.



I would care less what the deer's owner would say. If they can't keep them in the fence, tough.



If you see it come by again, drop it. You may be saving your hunting in the long run.

That's just ridiculous! That just shows you how ignorant this fool is. Instead of realizing that a geneticly gifted deer escaped onto his property and that it could help improve the quality of genetics, he wants to shoot it on the spot so it doesn't spread CWD We are obviously doing a very poor job of promoting our industry if that is the perception. Sorry, I don't have any hard evidence to help you, but hopefully others will.

Jonathan,

I used to get really mad and worked up about things like this. Then I come to the realization there are some folks who feel the way they feel and nothing anyone says will change that. That helped me deal with my frustrations.

That said you can point out that CWD has been found in places like New Mexico where there was no deer farms. You can point out that most "tagged" deer are from non-deer farmers who picked up orphaned fawns and raised them illegally and then tagged them for their own sort of tracking of deer movement.

You can point out that deer farms because of the extensive testing standards can actually say they are clean of diseases like TB, Bruc, and CWD unlike those deer in the wild that are not tested at all, or in such small numbers that the likely hood of finding it is remote.

You can point out that more moved animals in captivity that were later found to be infected were actually moved by state and federal officials and government sponsored zoo keepers than by private owned farms.

Those are just some points that pop into my head, but maybe NADEFA would like to supply some talking points for you to use. Maybe check out their website for this kind of help.

Or you could just have him give me a call and i'll tell him that raising deer is the GREATEST thing ever!!!!! and that he's a DIPSh_ _ !!!!! Sorry don't have much patience for guy's like that!

Browning2, instead of looking for hardcore evidence that this guy is wrong, how about turning the tables and asking him where his hardcore evidence (or any at all) is that CWD originated in a tagged herd? Let him put his foot in his own mouth.

HOW DOES THIS SOUND???

First off scientists and Wildlife Biologists don't know enough about CWD to say were it came from ...What it is... and Exactly how it is transmitted, so I am surprised that you can without a doubt tell people it is from farmed deer.



I can not speak for every deer farmer but I bought my first one because I love deer....Wanting to learn about them and care for them...They are addicting, So It grew from there...



I am in a CWD certified program. I have to test every single deer on my farm no matter why they die even if I kill them.

Deer are all tested before they can leave a state and be brought in from a state or even driven through a state.In PA it is mandatory...That you are in a CWD program!







We all, as hunters have enough to worry about from the ANTI Hunters that we really need to stick together and not tear each other apart with false information and rumors...If you would like to get some facts call me...or come visit my farm...Deer farmers know there are bigger problems than CWD...And we love deer and don't want anything to happen to wild or farmed deer...Most of us got into it for the love of deer! My number is (724)735-9924 my name is Billiejo (I am a girl) My deer farm is called Painted Meadows...Please don't spread rumors about things that are not known.



Take Care and Happy and safe hunting to all!

Billiejo

PS The harder you look for something the more likely you are to find it ...It doesn't mean it wasn't there the whole time.

Thanks for joining that site Painted meadows. There are several small hobby farmers on there that will say they have deer but are pretty quiet about it. He has posted some new things now to about how he works with wildlife biologists and his major was wildlife biology ect... some things along that line. He is pretty dead set on CWD coming from captive animals. Thanks for the input though guys any more let me know.

His new posts and another member that says we have deer mills like puppy mills





#1

I have checked my facts.



The first cases of CWD were found in a captive mule deer in Colorado in 1967 and in a captive mule deer in Wyoming in 1978. Next it was found in an elk farm in Saskatchewan. Other areas that it shows up in usually have cases found in a captive animal first and then later in the wild population. I guess there is not a smoking gun showing the transmission, but many articles I've read suspect the transmission from domestic to wild animals. I would rather be on the safe side and kill any non wild animal before CWD has the potential to spread.



I don't think it is a matter of if it will show up in Ohio, but when.



#2I am not simply trying to spread rumors. My undergrad major was wildlife and range resources. I have studied quite abit about the subject.



As I said in my previous post, There is no smoking gun showing transmission from captive to wild populations, but I have worked with many professors that feel there is pretty good odds that the disease has spread from captive to wild populations.



Does that mean every game farm animal has CWD? No. But when you have a lot of animals living in close proximity to each other, any disease can spread rapidly among them. CWD has frequently been found in captive deer populations, and then later in the wild populations in the area. With the number of animal sales and transfers that occur around the country, it is not beyond reason, that the disease can transfer with the animal as well to other areas of the country. Then if one of those animals escapes, (don't say it doesn't happen) the disease potentially escapes with it.



That is great you participate in the CWD program. Not everyone does. There are many shady deer farmers out there that are not so careful. All it takes is one infected animal to get out and you could potentially have trouble.



As I said before, if you see a deer with a tag in the woods, I feel it would be best to shoot it. Is it infected? Probably not, but I feel it is not worth the risk to the wild population.



and another post different user COONSKINNER



i agree with broken wind...most articles i read point to domesticated deer as the culprit when it comes to how cwd is started or was started...theres a good reason for wanting to kill any farm animal that has escaped immediately whether its a turk or deer...think about puppy mills...dont think there is not deer mills too...

The phrase "puppy mills" and now deer mills is a standard animal rights phrase. It is easy to see who you are most likely dealing with. You have to realize these anti's will go on hunting sites and pose as hunters. They establish themselfs as legitimate members of the group over time. Then they drop little carefully planned statements and work to create doubt in some hunters about various issues. Next thing you know you have real hunters taking sides against each other. This is a simple divide and conquer technique. I have seen it done with issues such as hunting with dogs. They drive a wedge between hunters who hunt with dogs and those who don't. These freaks have mostly given up the radical vandalism way of trying to beat us. They now come from a very well planned and thought out direction. They know it will take time and dedication to the "cause", but they figure to rid the world of all hunting and all animal "use" over time.

Or your dealing with a simple minded dork with nothing better to do with his time



I guess that wasn't very politically correct was it. Oh well, never claimed to be weak enough to hide behind that PC crap.

This was my next post

Brokenwind...With it said that close proximity helps breed the disease wouldn't you expect to see more on farms...When one does happen it is one animal, one farm killed 600 and tested them...Not one other in the herd...If it were in the wild it would have slipped through the cracks...You have to test them ASAP...especially if hot,You can have less than a day to take it out...



Now how easy is it to see one sick ...That you care for and see daily...you would expect to see it and find it easier!



I will look for the numbers of farms in the US, but it there are more than you would think.



As far as deer mills???



Oh my gosh please that sound like it came straight from the lips of an ANTI...



Most people in this venture are good and care about their animals...Just like anything there are quacks...But please don't judge us all on a few...Just like calling those idiots who went out on snow mobiles and ran deer over with them...They hit doe's fawns and bucks they roped and dragged them while alive...knocked out a buck tied him to a tree and he hung himself THEY CALLED IT HUNTING...Do we want looped in with that bunch!

Like I said my door is always open...Come on in

To worry about where CWD came from is like worrying where AIDS came from. Does anybody blame the person in Africa that "slept" with a monkey? I don't think so, but my most recent readings show that indeed it happened that way or in a similar one. So, why worry about where CWD originated? The states that have it are doing what they can, some are doing more than what they need to do (TX) and people are pointing angry fingers. Best be to fight it, not blame.