It needs to be this way again!!!!!!!!

I am going to Vote for the one who puts his trust in God......and the one who has good morals........yeah alot of the polititians are corrupt but not all....

I beleive the Bible also states to choose our judges wisley. Make sure they are men right with God. Well guess who appoints our highest judges in the land? I will be voting for the men(or women) who are right with God. If I do that no matter what the outcome I will have pleased the Lord and that whats important to me. Don't get me wrong though, I do not put my trust in any man,organization,or especially the government. However when God gives us advice I will listen. If he tells us to choose wisley then I will. When he tells us He will bless any nation that supports Isreal and curse any nation that opposes it then if I'm going to live in that nation I want to do my part and try to put a leader in power that knows God and His desires . To throw up my hands and say they are all corrupt so I won't choose then you have already chosen to go along with the crowd. If I can't find a politition that fits the bill then I will write the name in of a Godly man that will. Be sure though I will vote!

Where can I find this scripture ?

I will give scripture on choosing a leader over the land that God has given you.......and i know Virgil that you will have a completely different twist to it as this is the way you are taught.....you know that you and i have had many debates over what and how we believe what we read in the Bible and I am not going to get in a huge debate on here. However you did ask for some scripture so here it is........

DEUTERONOMY 14-20......When you enter the land the Lord your God has given you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, "Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us", be sure to appoint over you the King the Lord your God chooses. He must be from among your own brothers. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not a brother Israelite. The King, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the lord has told you, "You are not to go back that way again." He must not take many wives, or his heart will be lead astray. He must not accumulate large numbers of silver and gold. When he takes the thrown of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that od the priests, who are Levites. It is to be with him, and he is to read it all the days of his life so that he may learn to revere the Lord his God and follow carefully all the words of this law and these decrees and not consider himself better than his brothers and turn from the law to the right or the left. Then he and his descendants will reign a long time over his Kingdom in Israel............

Dennis thats not the scripture I was looking for and Dennis you forgot the to list the chapter I think you were refering to Deuteronomy chapter 17: verses 14-20. This was a whole different time period and the Isreallites were gods chosen people and they were to choose a ruler from amongst themselves and not from any other nations or peoples. these are the same people who had their king and our king Jesus put to death. Since then that kingdom has been destroyed and things have changed. Besides the way I see it this land was stolen from the Indians. It was not given to anyone one by anyone. All I was trying to say is I think we all need to put more trust in god and his promises rather than some politition and his empty promises. Just my own thoughts on this matter every man was born with free will to do what ever he likes to do so don't take this the wrong way and hate me for it this is just how I feel.

Virgil,

Heck i am not mad at you are you kidding me.......I don't agree with the way you understand scripture but why would that make me mad. Like I said, I knew you would have an answer in your interpretation of this verse.....the Bible was all written a long time ago......and the stories are all from long ago......however, we are to live by these same rules as our God asks us too......So this being said, these rules still apply........just in a different time period. They called them kings back then we call them Presidents. God does not want us to turn a blind eye to the people that are trying to run and rule our country (Kingdom)......see you got me going now!!! lets save this for a face to face talk Virgil old buddy old pal!!!!

I hope your not mad never thought you were just expressing how I feel on this matter. To each his own but you know I'm always up for a face to face discusion.

I love you guys. Virgil is right about not trusting any man. Jesus said only God is good. I know we all examine ourselves daily and ask God to send us thru that purifying fire. One thing about posting short comments is you always wish you said nothing or said much more. We wrestle against powers and principalities. Much debate can be staged on how scriptures relate to civil government. The main reason it's so hard to understand is most Christian's believe that Jesus removed old testament laws and we are in NEW Covenant. We are, by the way, in New Covenant. Jesus said he came not to change one jot or till of the law but to fulfill it. Compare this "jot or till" to our alphabet. It's like saying "not a single letter" because jots and tills are added to Hebrew script to make words much like our vowels. The ten commandments are in America's law today. Sacrificial elements of the Rabbitical laws and customs and traditions with-in the temple were replaced by Jesus. All of this is pointless debate with us if you don't believe America is a Christian nation. That's not what George Washington thought. If we agree that America IS a Christian nation and founded on Christian values and morals (I am not EVEN going to explain whose principles were copied) then let's go back to "powers and principalities". Romans 13:3-4 is saying that civic leaders are susposed to be "ministers of God". Paul is teaching about "powers" such as leaders, magistrates,etc. as goes on to say these are subject even to God.. Paul is telling us to abide by the powers so long as they are not evil. Pauls says to live peaceably with your neighbors IF possible. Remembering that Jesus "came not to change the law"....civic laws are laid out in Exodus, Leviticus, Deueronomy and other places in scripture. It is a serious mistake to equate a civilized society (Christian or not..if there are any) with one in which the decent people are door mats for the evil to trample on. Our Supreme Court ruled (Bowers vs. DeVito) that "there is no constitutional right to be protected by the State against being murdered"! Yet as Christians we don't have that right to give our lives to anyone but God. Do we have a "right" therefore to defend our lives against anyone but God? In Nehemiah ("Comforted by Y-H-V-H-) 4:14 ..."remember the Lord, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethern, your sons, and your daughters, your wives and your houses". Let's slow down. The fight that was taking place with Nehemiah, at greater lenght, was against those who would come against God's people. Those that would come against God's people. Those that would come against God's people. Not too long ago in Indonesia (Islam based country) Muslims killed several missionaries planning on building a Christian church. Powers and principalities. Islamic law is called sharia. It forbids Christians from building a new church or repairing old churches on Islamic land. Proverbs 25: 26 "it is unseemly for a rightous man to fall before an unrightous man". I've got to go...wife wants to go to farm. Psalm 144:1 "Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teaches my hands to war and my fingers to fight". Jesus, Luke 22:36 "he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his script: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one". Not to fight for the things of this world, I say, but against the powers and principalities of darkness.

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You said it ol Scrape, hard to say what you want on here specially the way I type. I guess you could say I'm a lover not a fighter.However it is constant battle to turn the other cheek. As you know i do like to stir the pot to bring up the crap that is going on.

Scrape I sure hope our next President is a minister of God it sure would help get things headed in the right direction!!!! Amen....

Virgil I was thinking more like deuteronomy 16:18 you shall appoint judges and officers in all your towns and when he told ezra to appoint judges and magistraites that know the ways of God, ezra 7:25. I beleive that all of Gods words hold wisdom for us. With our new covenet with Jesus we are no longer under the law but that doesn't mean that the 10 comandments are no longer good advice. I do not put my trust in any man but to me that doesn't mean I should have no part in trying to keep my country as Godly as I can. I definately beleive that this country has become great because of the high esteme that our forefathers held God in. I also think if we simply turn our backs on this country and let the ungodly take it over it won't be long before this country will fall from Gods grace and will perish. With that said I will respect your beliefs and you can do as you wish. I though will still vote and pray that the person I help elect will always keep his or her heart open to Gods define guidence. Rick

Virgil, You put everything perfect. God is soverign. He appoints all kings. He uses all kings to bring his people to Him. I guess it has always been said "defending the faith". This makes it a little easier to understand. I want to say this without going into deeper meaning for now. This is only for thought, as many may disagree with this application for "turn the other cheek". Read everything that Jesus is saying before and after this verse. Try to put yourself in that crowd at the time it was said, about 33-40 a.d. Slapping someone in public showed superiority. If you were slapped in the face in public you had two choices. #1. Take the slap and acknowledge yourself as inferior to the assailant. #2. turn the other cheek. If you turned your other cheek you made it publically known that you were equal to whoever slapped you or you were standing your ground. Dennis, it saddens me that we have passed most of the authority and dominion God gave us to the enemy. I love you guys.

It saddens me too Scrape and we are paying the price for it now.......

You folks are medicine for the soul. We know who the Great Physician is. Just like you wouldn't give a child an adult dosage (Fawn an adult dosage!!). God's word might be hard to swallow but can cure anyone. You just have to remember the Doctor's orders..."use as directed. Take until all product is consumed. Refills available. Tell the Doctor if you feel irritable or become suddenly ill. It might be a symptom of foreign contaminants. NEVER mix this medicine with other medicines.". Prescriptions filled 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Walk-ins welcome. Rewards for bringing the Doctor new patients.......you guys are great puttin' up me me. Ol' Scrape.