NADeFA Election

Who is all on the ballot? I don't know who you are talking about, but I am sure that your assumptions are not correct. People here in Alabama support deer farming in and out of this state

I to would like to know who it is. As a industry we should all be working together to improve this industry not so much for personal gain. Maybe the person you are talking about will step up and defend his comments. Just my two cent.

Fred,



The question is important to ask and as an officer of NEDeFA he should respond. I also challenge us non board members to offer up donations to NEDeFA benefit auction and will post a new thread on Deer Farmer to show others the importance of funding NEDeFA. Look back on the great job they did for North Dakota.



Scott

I would like to tell everyone out there what a great job Skip West has done in Oklahoma!!! Skip has always done what is ask and more for us. He is one of the hardest working board members we have had and I would highly recommend everyone voting for Skip. He supports every deer farmer in every state. Please vote for the future by voting for Skip.

Tim Condict PS Bill Holdman is a great guy and a hard worker for this industry. I will write him in.

iadeer said:

I am forever getting myself in trouble, and I guess I don't know how to stop now. As I got my ballot for the new NADeFA board members, I was taken aback by the boldness of one of the canidates on the issue of open boarders. Its good to have open boarders as long as it is not ALABAMA? How can this person represent the membership when their personal gains are clearly the most important thing to them, and the welfare of the industry take a far second seat. Perplexed to say the least. How can this be all the choices available for the board? How am I supposed to vote for someone who can't see past their own pocket book for the good of the industry? Oh i know this post will cost me money, but I hope not friends. I assure you I am not the only person that feels this way. I ask that you do not cast your vote for this person, sending a clear message that you support open trade among all states. Instead add a write in canidate, Bill Holdman to the ballot. Let your voices be herd. I only offer an alternative. You should still do what you think is right for you.



I look forward to any and all comments. I have thought this through as best as I can and as I love this industry I feel it should be lead in a direction towards more opportunities for all the members and the industry as a hole! Not limited by someones personal agenda.

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WOW! I am with you Fred but the part of your quote that I high-lighted describes a list of folks. Do you propose we single out this one person or start an industry wide house cleaning? I think most folks know which option I would prefer ..... and I dont care how much money it costs me. The day they lay me in the ground I will still have my integrity intact .... better stop right here for now

Amen Fred! I could not believe what I was reading. It really bothers me that someone in a leadership position would think ( and verbalinze in writing) that this philosphy can actually co-exist with the the positvie direction that this industry is moving.

Apparently something was said or wrote. I haven't seen this. Am I missing something?

Fred, wow!! Your always trying to stir the pot. If your going to post something at least post what i said and don;t make stuff up.



What i said is : I am for Interstate commerce in most situations but not all. I am not for opening borders in States where it could potentially jeopardize the deer industry in that state such as Alabama. I am for opening new states like Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee, and hopefully other states to legalize deer farming. Deer Farming is a great industry and my goal is to continue to open new markets and one day have it legal to deer farm in every state.

What i said has nothing to do with personal gains, but everything to do with keep deer farming open in states where it is currently open. I know Fred you know everything, however look around the states that surround us and you will see the area we live in very vulnerable. The southeast United States DNR's hates deer farming. Mississippi, Georgia, Tennesee, South Carolina, North Carolina are all states where deerfarming is basically illegal. In Alabama If we tried to open the borders it could potentially hurt or even shut down the industry in our state, therefore i am against it right now in Alabama. In Alabama we worked hard to legalize and get the regulations in place to make deer farming legal. We still have a long way to go in Alabama, here are some examples: we can't even feed during hunting season, we don't own the deer, we have to go by the state season, we have tremendous regulation in our state. So what i said is that if opening the borders will jeopardize the industry in that state, like Alabama i am not for it. Because if we tried to open the borders in Alabama it would set us back or put us out of business all together. Basic rights such as setting your own hunting season, feeding your deer during hunting season, and other little regulations that we are trying to get changed.

I am for opening new states and keeping existing states open to deer farming, remember what happened to Montana. I was one of the biggest advocates in helping North Dakota and making sure we beat PETA and the humane society. I also am a huge advocate in trying to open up new states, but i would rather open up a state with closed borders then not open up a state at all.

I have served Nadefa as a board member and 2nd Vice president and the deer industry in many ways and understand the importance of Nadefa in supporting the industry as a whole.

I support all states whether open or closed, and growing the industry by opening new states.



Thanks and get your facts straight Fred,

Will

Thanks for clearing that up Will. First of all let me thank Will for all that he does. He is the backbone to the deer industry in Alabama. He is one of the pioneers here. Also he does alot for the north, not to mention the" millions" of dollars he spends. It sounds to me like a little jealously. I don't know anyone who would say anything negative about him. But like Ive said before if you don't want any money from a closed state deer farmer then no sell your deer and lots to us. Tell us you don't want our money, because frankly I think us deer farmers from out of state pay too much. I'll also bet you that the out of state farmers rank in the top 5 or 10 every year in total money spent. Texas and Alabama are thriving because of people like Will. I'll also say this" In Alabama we don't have to eat our does"!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the clarification Will. I know as well as anyone that it can be easy for a reader to mis-interpret the written word and what the writer is actually saying is sometimes not what the reader "hears".

Will,



Thank you for updating us on Alabama and I thank the NADeFA staff and board in serving us members. Fred you need to help those deer farms in Iowa and MN who you picked up stocker bucks from this past fall. The pain in their eyes and the pain of not receiving payment for stocker bucks is great! Can NADeFA Iowa or MN association help establish a legal fund to seek payment? If you show you are going out of your ways to help those deer farmers than I may consider your big buck semen.



Scott

Great idea Scott - legal fund for victims of deer industry crooks! If this ever gets started I know some folks who would certainly qualify for assistance.

Scott, that's a great idea. Count me in. I'm in Alabama but I'll always help if I can. I know plenty of other breeders that will donate to this cause. Let me know

Fred,

Actually nothing is going on behind the scenes. And my hands are clean when it comes to politics in the southeast. Oh wait unless your talking about helping opening up new borders and markets, and traveling to Mississippi with Shawn Shaefer and others to try and open up Mississippi. Maybe instead of getting on deer farmer and complaining and doing nothing, you should actively get involved in something. I have left you two messages on your voicemail and have not heard back. I am done posting on this subject with you, if you have any other items you want to discuss call me.



Will

Fred, I am not (was not) calling you a crook. (a perfect example of the written word not being taken as it was meant) I was saying that there are multiple crooks that need exposed and was suggesting that they all be exposed, not just one of them. I was hoping that your opening post was going to open that can of worms to expose several of them. I do have some particular ones in mind but you are not one of them.

iadeer said:

Scott, do you really want to open this can of worms. You better send money to everyone that you said you would buy their deer this spring. I have heard you are backing out or not sending deposits to people.



I continually stay in contact with the ranch putting preasure on them to come up with money.



I have pasted on information to the hunting ranch for them to contact each individual assureing the producer that they are not forgotten.



I took $40,000.00 of my own money to help pay for some of the deer, helping as much as I can.



I am contracted to find bucks, assist in getting health papers and arrange for delivery or pickup.



I have not made any money on shooter buck for 2 years, making sure everyone else got paid before I did.



I am doing all I can.



Don H. Are you sure you want to call me a crook?



I negotiated a better price for most of the deer the ranch purchased this year than anyone else was paying in North America. Again, I can Assure you they will get paid.



I will also assure if I find out who winned to you about late payment, you better buy their bucks. Because I am done with them.



As for Arty semen, when I see you in person I will let you know your chances of purchasing Arty semen from me.

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Fred,



Thank you for you effort to see the deer farmers in Iowa and MN are paid for the stockers you promised high prices last summer. Today they have a hard time paying feed bills with no revenue from your contracted hunting ranches. As for Apple Creeks record the last 3 years we have purchased over 250 stocker bucks paying half down on on contract and balance upon delivery in march.(thats full payment 7 months before hunting season) Some I paid full down because they were in such tough times. Yes some after personal farm visits we half to say no but just today I added another two farms to our delivery program. Again over the last three years all delivers were paid on delivery in full. I ask you Fred can you help your producers with joint legal protection? Can you go to NADeFA MN Or Iowa association for their help. Make sure others don't make the same error next year. I do not attack you but ask you to do more they need your help and protection now. You may want to show up and meet them at the next association meeting. As for not purchasing arty or you giving me the that opportunity it will be more important for those deer farmers (producers) protection.



Scott

I too questioned Will's statement about not opening Alabama's boarders. Thank you Will for clarifing that. Now it is time for all us deer farmers to unite, because is this bickering continues it will not be for the good of our industry. And we need to stand together!!!



Sandy Malone

Prime Whitetails

Rush, NY