Nadefa member or not ?

Wyane,

There is no good reason for NOT being a NADeFA memeber if you are a deer farmer and want to see this industry around for a while. When you look at the big picture with the cost of breeding the deer as well as care and feed for the animals the extra $100.00 dollars is really just a drop in the bucket and is so important whenit comes to the future of our Industry. I wish there was a way to make it mandatory to be a member but we know that can't happen!!

So true with me just becoming a member and recieving all the goodies in the mail from what i see so far, a person with any intrest in this deer thing has to be crazy not to be a member.With all this cwd crap and every other issue that we have to deal with we need them in our corner in every fight that comes our way!

Even though Montana has lost most rights as a deer farmer you have to be a member so that money can help others. I don't want to see other States get in the position that we in Montana are. I also know that when critics win and take away your ability to make the good money that can be made in this industry you will no longer be able to fight the good fight as you will not have the extra cash to support your fight. Every deer farmer should send in the membership fee to help others and in turn help themselves.

In Oklahoma, both associations will pay half of their members NADeFA dues. Seems to be a great way to boost memberships. NADeFA is a great association and is on the front lines protecting our rights. If your not a member, please join TODAY...

Every Cervid farmer/Rancher needs to be a member of NADEFA, who else or what group has done and is currently doing more to promote and protect our interests, we should also be a member of our state organizations......



Browning Whitetails is a Proud member of NADEFA and WDFO

Good question Whitetail Sanctuary. I am not a member of NADEFA but have donated to NADEFA enough for 52 years of memberships.

If the 1351 members would have donated the same, it would amount to $7,092,750

I support NADEFA and other stare associations. But members of these associations must know others donate in ways they do not realize. Many non members donate what they can not afford to.

Once we build a deer association together we have to protect it and its assets to be good stewards. It confuses everything. Even love get redefined as that which protects the association and unloving to breeders who do not.

We give our affection as breeders to those who serve our interest.

I personally feel our loyalty for the deer industry should not focus on a membership card.

I also wish every one could afford to be members.

Just my opinion my friend. Hope you are getting the answers you are looking for.

Wisdom,



You say that you give to NADEFA but your not a member that just don't make sence because the focus is on the membership card.



The more members NADEFA has the stronger they are when they take the fight to congress because in Washington numbers mean everything.



I also think if you want to get this thing off the ground you are starting then you need to show your support as a member of NADEFA first.

no I agree it is important to be a member. Power comes in numbers and the more members they can show the more power they have....Everyone should be ablr to join NadefA., It is just like anything else...it is a choice! I we have enough money to be raising deer then you have enough money to join Nadefa! There is absolutely NO good reason not to be a member unless your on the oppositions side!

Wisdom I for one am sick of hearing you talk about how much you have given over the years. Why is it you feel the need to try and show how great of a guy you are??? The fact you seem to know how much you have given sickens me. My wife and I have given as well to this industry, but we have no idea how much because it isn't a competition and shouldn't be important either. We give because it is for the betterment of the industry and not to cover for a guilty mind nor to gain popularity among the growers.



As to being or not being a member goes I do think everyone should be a member of both NADEFA and at the very least their own state org. Membership numbers are important because they give power to those who speak for the membership and the industry. What lawmaker would listen to someone if they represent a handful of their industry.

We are proudly members of our state and national org and several other state orgs as well. What we have donated to all these orgs is unknown and proud of it.

Why do you ask these questions? He donates and supports them obviously if they take his donation maybe they should put his name on the list.I don't think he is trying to brag just trying to make point that he does support industry. From what i see he is one of the few who sees were the industries focus needs to be. That is on the end market that is finding people to shoot all these bucks we grow.More new people means more new deer this means a flooded shooter market.Some may not make most of there money from shooters but most in the industry do that is a fact.So instead of giving this guy a hard time get behind him and help support what is going to be best for the industry in the long run. More hunters not more breeders.

Roger you claim to be a follower of Christ or Christian.

Out of the mouth speaks the condition of the heart.

Perhaps you should reread many of your post and compare them inspired words of the Holy Spirit as to what a true believer is.

1co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing. 1co 13:4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 1co 13:5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 1co 13:6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 1co 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 1co 13:8 Love never fails.



Looking forward to seeing you in person at the NADEFA conference

Rodger

I think the heart is in the right place i just believe its to big of an undertaking for 1,2 3,or15 people donating to a cause.It needs to be givin to a more powerful source to get it started.Wishful thinking but it will never work as you can see there is some thousands of deer farmers and very few givers.Most will just keep on keepin on doin the best they can do with what they got!!!

I was just telling my two sons today. I am not sure if the problems in the deer industry can be solved. My one son was surprised at what I just had said.

Adam commented: Dad you always speak so positive about the deer industry and you have built your dreams around it. What are you talking about?

My reply to my son Adam was: The deer industry is so divided, I do not know if it can be put back together again. Very few people want to try and greed keeps others from acknowledging the truth. There is a lot more going on behind closed doors than most realize concerning our industry

Wisdom,



I am sure your right when you say there is a lot more going on behind closed doors than most realize concerning our industry. But until someone that has been behind the door comes out from behind it and openly acknowleges what is going on then nothing will change and the door will remain closed.

Roger, some people handle success better than others. You are not one of them!! That was uncalled for. Your post reminds me of how I feel having to read all your pebbles comments. After reading your posts for the last several years, I'm pretty sure that you know every cent you have given. And I bet the free advertising you got never entered your mind.



Wisdom, yes, the industry is divided,but not everyone needs to pleased by or included in the plan anyway. I for one, don't think preserves that raise all their own shooters and breeders that predominantly sell breeding stock, need to be included. I think you have more support than you realize.



As for joining an organization, yes money may be an issue when you haven't sold shooters in several years. That and I think many have wised up to the fact that the personal agendas of a few, often times override the needs of the many.

Wisdom,

as i have stated before.....I admire the fact that you are trying to orgsanize an effort to address the very issue that threatens our industry. I am taken back once again that your efforts are being shot down by others judging you. While I don't agree with 100 % of what you say, I do agree with what you are trying to do and therefore support you 100%. I tried very hard to get involved and push to get things rolling a while back when Russ Walk Jr. brought this very issue up in a previous thread of his. (regarding the future of our Industry) I too was met with nothing but insults and people judging me. (as this thread seems to be doing to you ) I don't understand why...when we stand up and try to do what is right for this Industry....others feel the need to bash or tear down our efforts to bring together a plan to address the very problem that stands to hurt our future as an Industry. I for one am sick an tired of seeing other Deer Farmers bashing one another on these forums.(I am not without guilt as I have done this in the past myself.....however, I have seen this and have done my best to NOT juge anyone anymore!) (I know we are ALL familar with the scipture about the Plank in our own eye) We are never going to agree 100% with one another....not one of us on here is perfect. We need to understand that and not look at ways to pick one another apart but look at ways to support each other especailly when we know someones heart is in the right place. Wisdom, I only know you from being on these forums and I truly do feel your intentions are genuine. Keep up the fight someone has too.........Yeah I agree that if NADeFA would take over this effort it would be better as they have more recources........However, until they agree to take over the wheel WE as deer farmers should keep pushing on with this effort and keep it going or it will just simply dissolve and go nowhere as it has in the past!! Lets all try to repect one another going forward and start looking at the positve in each other instead of looking at the negative all the time and quit trying to tear each other down. We are all in this for the same reasons and no one Big or small farmer is better than anyone else!! Lets all eat a peice of Humble Pie and move on and be thankful for this awesome Industry we have! Lets focus together as a group to save the very thing we love......Raising Deer!!!

Willows hit one there.There are alot of ranchs that raise their own shooters and also sell to the breeder market,with that bein fine.They are happy with the bizz the way it is now.Back to keep on keepin on.Every person situation is different but still has to go for the big picture.Thats why at the very minimum should become members of every org that fights the fight for us all!!

Roger

Back in the 90s when we were fencing in our ranch’s things were tough as for most breeders. I buried my younger brother in his 30s, killed in a logging accident and money was tight. I sold my 21 foot Grady White boat and most of my guns to finish the fencing project. Know that I am not bragging on donations offered. At that time it was a great sacrifice and honor to support NADEFA and help start the Pa, Deer ass. The biggest sacrifice was our time. The freedoms we enjoy today were the plans of yesterday

IndependenceRanch said:

Wisdom I for one am sick of hearing you talk about how much you have given over the years. Why is it you feel the need to try and show how great of a guy you are??? The fact you seem to know how much you have given sickens me. My wife and I have given as well to this industry, but we have no idea how much because it isn't a competition and shouldn't be important either. We give because it is for the betterment of the industry and not to cover for a guilty mind nor to gain popularity among the growers.



As to being or not being a member goes I do think everyone should be a member of both NADEFA and at the very least their own state org. Membership numbers are important because they give power to those who speak for the membership and the industry. What lawmaker would listen to someone if they represent a handful of their industry.

We are proudly members of our state and national org and several other state orgs as well. What we have donated to all these orgs is unknown and proud of it.

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