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Billings, MO
After giving a shot of bam and a buck not going down, can you give it telozol to knock it on out?
Need advice on Bam and telozol immediately
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A fellow deer farmer has hit one with bam and it won't go down. Out of bam, just the tel mix left. Need advice ASAP.
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Good luck Brad... sorry I couldn't help with an answer. Please keep us posted on what you find out. I will call around on my end as well.
Hmmm.......I thought bam was the sure thing answer......you need to know your deer....some go down easy.... others not so much......also, obviuosly circumstanes mean a lot.....if your deer are running and stressed before they are darted.......you can bet they will be harder to put down because they are pumping the drugs through their system so much quicker!!.....the fact is......putting deer down is a risk......it stinks that we need too.....because I think it is unnecessary ....just my thoughts....even with cutting antlers....if you group your animals right....there is no need to cut antlers.......yes you need to protect yourself and you should....I would never enter my pens after hard antler unless I was in my skid loader!! Only time we should have to tranq deer is when we sell them and move them!! Plain and simple!!
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Billings, MO
dd, thanks for not helping and not knowing any of the circumstances involved. Glad you can always be right.
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Deer Park, Alabama
I don't know the answer to the question, but if this happened to me I would not risk darting with telazol. I would reverse the bam with both reversers with two darts and try again another day.
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Billings, MO
I was asked to put this on here by a fellow farmer. First off, he knows his deer as well as anyone. Anyone who knows him would vouch for that, and many of you know him. The deer he was darting was in the shooter buck pen. There was two to dart and get on a trailer. The bucks were getting ready to go down, the other deer saw this as a opportunity to spare, and they did. One of the two ran off the BAM. Things were tense and they called me to help. I was not around so I put this on the forums to see if it was a valid option for them. Sure, ideally one of us would have had more BAM on hand, but it did not come in when it should have. I do not know what they did, but I assume they had to try the tel/xyl mix. The other deer was in danger of being killed. We used BAM on all the non shooters to cut horns. It worked great. If anyone does have any knowledge on this subject of mixing the drugs, please let us know. It could help some one another day. Michael, thanks for answering your phone. I will update you in a few days, as it sounds like you will be busy tomorrow. Good luck.
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Brad, You said you use BAM on all non shooters to cut horns. Do you not use BAM on your shooters ? Just courious
Sorry for your troubles its no fun when a plan.................goes south on a feller
Sorry for your troubles its no fun when a plan.................goes south on a feller
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Billings, MO
The farm it was at was using BAM on all bucks this year, as my farm is, except for semen collection. We used it on non shooters all ready(1/2 cc on yearlings, 1 cc on others). We also used it on 6 shooters on Wednesday with no issues. Much better than Rompin (sp) in my opinion. While knocking down 2 more shooters tonight, I guess the boys decided to get rowdy. Maybe due to the cold snap we had. On a side note, did anyone get a hold of you about your shooter bucks? I passed along your information.
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Billings, MO
Show Me Racks said:
Show me racks......Just giving my opinion....never said I was always right........never claimed to have all the answers.....I guess if you give your true honest opinion on here anymore .....from your experiences over the years it is of know value to the new deer farmer........I only give my advice from what I have learned over the last several years from deer farming.......never said you have to agree with my experiences......Good luck!!
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upstate ny
Bruce said:
Yeah your probably right Bruce .....I need to exit.......I did reread my earlier post and it didn't come out the way I had intended it too.....there was no malicious intent i can tell you that though.....I was honestly, just trying to help with what i had experienced in the past and give my honest opinion as far as how I felt about us having to tranq. Are deer so much....nothing more and nothing less.....could have been worded better I guess......anyhow, these forums are not what they once used to be.....you used to be able to give an opinion without getting jumped on.........with this being said, I will not post any longer nor frequent the forums anymore.......God Bless!
We had the same thing happen darted our 250 pound 4 year old buck with 2 cc of BAM II, he went down but upon approach got up and began to walk away from us...at the advice of Steve (i luckily had his cell phone number) the lab and field analysis guy at wildpharm/bam told me to redart with another 1 cc bam....then that took him down....now reversing him was another story and the doe as well...They have since revised their sheets multiple times with the reverser guidelines........Rule of thumb....what ever BAMII you give them reverse with 1 cc naltrexone, and 2X the amount of atapamezole......so 2 cc BAm then 4 cc A and 1cc N..........1 cc bam then 2 cc a and 1 cc n....dont take my word though please verify yourself...Call Wildpharm direct they are very helpful.....Steve is who you want....
We used 3cc BAMII on that buck and reversed with 1 cc N and 5.5 cc A....and he wasnt right til the next day.....We darted an adult doe with 1 cc BAMII and reversed with 2CC A and 1 CC N, and she resedated 3 times til morning.....It WAS NOT PRETTY...They said within 10 minutes if she was still groggy you should always follow up with an additional 1/2 dose of the atepamezole either by injection or dart if u must......so if you reversed with 2 cc of atepamezole and they r not out 100 percent in 10 minutes...give them another 1 cc...no more naltrexone just the atepamezole...again please dont take my word call him....if anyone needs his number i can get it to you.....this is super super important stuff for all of us to know....dont go by your instruction sheet necessarily in your bam II kits...please call them....or i can email you the copy of their newest sheet that he emailed me as well direct from the pharm......thanks and good luck and best wished to everyone and their animals.....
We used 3cc BAMII on that buck and reversed with 1 cc N and 5.5 cc A....and he wasnt right til the next day.....We darted an adult doe with 1 cc BAMII and reversed with 2CC A and 1 CC N, and she resedated 3 times til morning.....It WAS NOT PRETTY...They said within 10 minutes if she was still groggy you should always follow up with an additional 1/2 dose of the atepamezole either by injection or dart if u must......so if you reversed with 2 cc of atepamezole and they r not out 100 percent in 10 minutes...give them another 1 cc...no more naltrexone just the atepamezole...again please dont take my word call him....if anyone needs his number i can get it to you.....this is super super important stuff for all of us to know....dont go by your instruction sheet necessarily in your bam II kits...please call them....or i can email you the copy of their newest sheet that he emailed me as well direct from the pharm......thanks and good luck and best wished to everyone and their animals.....
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upstate ny
Blue Sky Whitetails said:We had the same thing happen darted our 250 pound 4 year old buck with 2 cc of BAM II, he went down but upon approach got up and began to walk away from us...at the advice of Steve (i luckily had his cell phone number) the lab and field analysis guy at wildpharm/bam told me to redart with another 1 cc bam....then that took him down....now reversing him was another story and the doe as well...They have since revised their sheets multiple times with the reverser guidelines........Rule of thumb....what ever BAMII you give them reverse with 1 cc naltrexone, and 2X the amount of atapamezole......so 2 cc BAm then 4 cc A and 1cc N..........1 cc bam then 2 cc a and 1 cc n....dont take my word though please verify yourself...Call Wildpharm direct they are very helpful.....Steve is who you want....
We used 3cc BAMII on that buck and reversed with 1 cc N and 5.5 cc A....and he wasnt right til the next day.....We darted an adult doe with 1 cc BAMII and reversed with 2CC A and 1 CC N, and she resedated 3 times til morning.....It WAS NOT PRETTY...They said within 10 minutes if she was still groggy you should always follow up with an additional 1/2 dose of the atepamezole either by injection or dart if u must......so if you reversed with 2 cc of atepamezole and they r not out 100 percent in 10 minutes...give them another 1 cc...no more naltrexone just the atepamezole...again please dont take my word call him....if anyone needs his number i can get it to you.....this is super super important stuff for all of us to know....dont go by your instruction sheet necessarily in your bam II kits...please call them....or i can email you the copy of their newest sheet that he emailed me as well direct from the pharm......thanks and good luck and best wished to everyone and their animals.....
For all the good some say this stuff is....I think i will stick to the old proven cocktail. Never had a story close to the one above. Scary stuff.
So far I have darted 36 deer using bamII and have had two that for 8 hrs were still very groggy after reversing. I was for certain that one was going to die on me. I called a friend who has also used it alot to find out what was going on. He told me about hitting them again with the 1/2 dose of atipamizol. I darted both with the 1/2 dose and within minutes they were alert and back to normal. Both deer are doing great since. I have darted 100's of deer with telazol/zylazine mix and will not go back. BAMII is very safe, the deer do better when they are out and reversal time is quicker.
I had a yrling buck that I hit with a reduced dose of .5cc, the dart bounced out when he was hit and i watched the drug spray into the air. He got enough in him to make him drousey but he wouldnt go down. I put a 1/4 cc into a syringe and walked up behind him to administer it, he never flinched and went down within a couple minutes. To be able to do this is awesome. I wouldnt have ever been able to do it with telazol/zylazine mix.
I encourage everyone to try BAMII at least once.
Sure, what you are doing may not be broken. But how do you know if you can improve unless you try.
I had a yrling buck that I hit with a reduced dose of .5cc, the dart bounced out when he was hit and i watched the drug spray into the air. He got enough in him to make him drousey but he wouldnt go down. I put a 1/4 cc into a syringe and walked up behind him to administer it, he never flinched and went down within a couple minutes. To be able to do this is awesome. I wouldnt have ever been able to do it with telazol/zylazine mix.
I encourage everyone to try BAMII at least once.
Sure, what you are doing may not be broken. But how do you know if you can improve unless you try.