Need advice on Bam and telozol immediately

What's the average cost of a BAM II kit?

$255 per kit

ER Whitetails said:

So far I have darted 36 deer using bamII and have had two that for 8 hrs were still very groggy after reversing. I was for certain that one was going to die on me. I called a friend who has also used it alot to find out what was going on. He told me about hitting them again with the 1/2 dose of atipamizol. I darted both with the 1/2 dose and within minutes they were alert and back to normal. Both deer are doing great since. I have darted 100's of deer with telazol/zylazine mix and will not go back. BAMII is very safe, the deer do better when they are out and reversal time is quicker.

I had a yrling buck that I hit with a reduced dose of .5cc, the dart bounced out when he was hit and i watched the drug spray into the air. He got enough in him to make him drousey but he wouldnt go down. I put a 1/4 cc into a syringe and walked up behind him to administer it, he never flinched and went down within a couple minutes. To be able to do this is awesome. I wouldnt have ever been able to do it with telazol/zylazine mix.

I encourage everyone to try BAMII at least once.

Sure, what you are doing may not be broken. But how do you know if you can improve unless you try.

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I dont know about improving anything but i can say i have never had a problem with the Telazol cocktail. I guess its all about the deer. I guess the old sayin holds true. If it aint broke..Dont fix it!

ER Whitetails said:

So far I have darted 36 deer using bamII and have had two that for 8 hrs were still very groggy after reversing. I was for certain that one was going to die on me. I called a friend who has also used it alot to find out what was going on. He told me about hitting them again with the 1/2 dose of atipamizol. I darted both with the 1/2 dose and within minutes they were alert and back to normal. Both deer are doing great since. I have darted 100's of deer with telazol/zylazine mix and will not go back. BAMII is very safe, the deer do better when they are out and reversal time is quicker.

I had a yrling buck that I hit with a reduced dose of .5cc, the dart bounced out when he was hit and i watched the drug spray into the air. He got enough in him to make him drousey but he wouldnt go down. I put a 1/4 cc into a syringe and walked up behind him to administer it, he never flinched and went down within a couple minutes. To be able to do this is awesome. I wouldnt have ever been able to do it with telazol/zylazine mix.

I encourage everyone to try BAMII at least once.

Sure, what you are doing may not be broken. But how do you know if you can improve unless you try.

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Good post. I was very hesitant to change what was already working for me for over 8 years and close to 1,000 sedations, however, after using bam for the first time over a year ago, I did realize that I could be doing things that were better for my herd.

There is absolutely NO question that the animals recover MUCH faster from Bam than the xylazine/telazol mix. No one is trying to get anyone to switch what's working for them to something new. But if you haven't tried both products personally, then I really don't see how you can have a realistic perspective on which one is better.

I try to think of any new folks on the board that may benefit from some of our experiences. With that in mind, I think it's clear that there is a very effective (NOT PERFECT) alternative that people should know about.

We have had good results with X/T cocktail, but have had some of the same "close calls" that most people with a lot of sedations under their belt have had. (Slow sedations, re-darting, slow wake-ups, etc.) I am not hesitant to use X/T, but plan on trying BAM when our supply of drugs gets low, since I like what I hear about BAM. You don't know if you don't try.

BAM users: Do your vets $tick it to you when you get your BAM scrips?

Our vet has not been charging anything for the script. Says they feel its a curtesy since we use them for all of our farm needs. This is a new attitude that they have been taking since loosing business to other vets.

WillPenn Whitetails said:

Good post. I was very hesitant to change what was already working for me for over 8 years and close to 1,000 sedations, however, after using bam for the first time over a year ago, I did realize that I could be doing things that were better for my herd.

There is absolutely NO question that the animals recover MUCH faster from Bam than the xylazine/telazol mix. No one is trying to get anyone to switch what's working for them to something new. But if you haven't tried both products personally, then I really don't see how you can have a realistic perspective on which one is better.

I try to think of any new folks on the board that may benefit from some of our experiences. With that in mind, I think it's clear that there is a very effective (NOT PERFECT) alternative that people should know about.

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Thanks Michael

I also want to add that when I have used the reduced dose of .5cc or any dose. That I use a 2cc or 3cc dart and fill the remainder of the dart with lactated ringers as suggested by another poster on the forum. You can get the ringers from the vet. My vet charged around $6 for it.

my personal opinion for what it is worth.

When something works why change it. There were negligible issues with BAM I to my knowledge. I had a couple that needed more anitpamezole but that was it in 2 years of use.

Now all these people are complaining about their animals not waking up like they should. What is the difference in BAM I and BAM II? the removal of Tolazoline. and the combination of the tranquilizers. Common sense to me says that the combination of tranquilizers would not likely be the issue since they were combined at use with BAM I.

Upon doing a little research on the use of BAM in laboratory animals I came across articles talking about rebound tranquilization with the use of BAM without the use of tolazoline and just antipamezole. The half life of antipamezole is shorter than the half life of the tranquilizer. What does this mean? if the reversal is given soon after induction of sedation then the reversal wears off thus the animal becomes drowsy again. This is probably not a huge deal unless you are using it on antlered animals and becoming resedated is a HUGE issue.

For what it is worth when we cut antlers on the yearlings I gave 1 more cc of antipamezole to all and also gave them tolazoline along with the reversal, thus MY BAM was the same as BAM I. We did not have any issues with rebound sedation. If you are just using the BAM II reversal, how do you know which ones will need more?????? you dont. By then it could be tooooooo late.



IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!!!

The A in BAM is azaperone. The azaperone is not reversed with the drugs supplied in this kit. Azaperone is a very good neuroleptic tranquiliser, & will stay in the animals system for many hours. Its good for preventing post capture myopathy. The azaperone dose in BAM is quite low & although the deer will appear affected, its should still be able to avoid any misadventures. Azaperone is generally considered a pig drug, but its been very useful in "cocktails" for wild deer capture for several decades, & it also has a very short withholding period prior to slaughter.



Don't top up an animal with zoletil/telazol, if the tranquillisation was incomplete from BAM. If the animal needed to be given an extra dose of something in an emergency & there was no BAM left, then discuss using straight xylazine with your vet in these cases. The xylazine should also be reversed with the antagonists in the BAM kit.







Cheers Sharkey

Thanks for all the input. Sharkey sounds like he has some great knowledge on the subject, thanks. Whether you use BAM or tel/xey mix, it is great for everyone to gain some knowledge. These forums are great. Not everyone can know everything, but we can all share what we know. We all know AI/breeding season is coming up along with drawing on our bucks. I am sure the forums will be lit up with post. Let's all stay on the same side and keep helping each other out. Good luck to all this fall......