Not so good news !!!!!!

I always wondered about urine from an infeceted animal. If the animal that it was drawn from is infected then mixed with gallon's from other deer them put in 1 oz bottle's and sold who know's where. Is all of that urine infected and can it spread the disease ? Or is the urine safe for use and the chance of spreading any disease that way low.

I took this from the NADEFA newsletter.



NADeFA News

October 2012

Another interesting study involving CWD was the "Intranasal Dust Inoculation of CWD in Whitetail Deer". Intranasal transmission has always been suspected, but it has never been tested in a natural host. This study showed that when a very small amount of positive brain material was mixed with clay soil and inoculated into the nasal passages of whitetail fawns, they all became infected within a short period. This study is very significant when you consider all the hunter killed carcasses that are discarded in the countryside.



This is great, but how many of you have carcasses laying around in you pens? This helps show the vector through the wild herd, but the states don't even pick up road kill deer anymore, they just leave them lay !!! Maybe the DNR and DOT needs to read this.



You talk about the urine, which is a good point. If they have the ability to do the above test with ground up brain material, why can't they do it with urine and feces? Wouldn't this end the debate over the spread of CWD with urine and feces? This test would be something very beneficial for cervid farmers to know. We all have heavy contacts in our pens and feeding areas with these agents. They could easily replicate the nasal injection test under the same guidelines as the brain material test.



I agree with you Sharkey, we need to stay organized and focus on the CWD. The ACA is a good start to gathering ALL cervids under one voice. We need to have CWD response packets ready to send to all members in " hot spots", when outbreaks occur. If breeders are interviewed by news-media, we need to sound educated and professional and be on the same page. Pa. won't be our last hot-spot.



Gary

What about urine and feces on our feed product (alfalfa, oat, soybean, corn, ect.), what if a cwd carrying wild deer has contaminated the feed product that we purchase, whats the likelyhood of a transfer?

Exactly what i have always wondered Mike, the amount of grain and hay that has had wild deer eating, urinating, etc. being moved all over the country, especially with last years drought, it could be carried by countless different ways I'd think. All around the Midwest there is alfalfa that wild deer get into during the winter and I know that same hay gets shipped all over the country.

IowaMike said:

What about urine and feces on our feed product (alfalfa, oat, soybean, corn, ect.), what if a cwd carrying wild deer has contaminated the feed product that we purchase, whats the likelyhood of a transfer?

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I'd be more concerned with a Crow eating a deer carcass that may have the Prion and the Crow flying miles away crapping on vegetation that is in turn eaten by animals and starting a growing circle of contamination!



but hey I asked our States CWD "EXPERT" about it and he said..........Well that would be impossible! Lol

I saw a study a Dr. in Louisana wrote. He felt their was a transfer of genetic material through tick and mites. The mites attach to hay, alfalfa,etc. How much irrigated western South Dakota alfalfa gets moved every year to dairies and farm out east? I have fed S.D. hay to my dairy cows in dry years. I see hundreds of trucks heading east on I 90 every year. There are so many vectors of transfer from the western states, but the finger is always pointed at us.

Gary

So as I see it, it would not be beneficial to double fence with all the ways to possibly contract cwd?

Good point. Do we need to put netting over the top too?

Gary, That's probably in the works ! Along with a moat,razor wire,alarm system,containment pools for runoff ..........Hell you know in the DNR's eyes were more deadly than a NUCLEAR TEST SITE!!

Funny you say that. in Pine Island, Mn., when the elk farm got CWD. The paper made a comment. They compared it as toxic as a nuclear waste spill.

It does not surprise me that CWD was found in PA in the wild population. I truly believe that if they were to test a reasonable percentage of wild deer that it would be found in every state and province. I think it would have been found in 1913 as well as 2013. Of course it wont be found where it is not looked for. I hunted in Colorado last year, if I am correct, I believe that the first case ever of CWD was identefied in Colo. in 1967. I saw no shortage of deer on my 2012 hunt and was able to be selective with the animal I harvested (I ate it too). Shouldnt this herd have died off from CWD by now? My opinion is that it is everywhere that cervids are, and has always been there. I believe it is a natural occurance that will always be. As for Missouri, obviosly it will most likely be found in captive herds, because we have to test 100% of our deaths, to comply with the monitoring rules, as compared to the state who tests less than 1 % of the wild whitetails killed in our state. My opinion is that we would be better off as an industry if CWD was found in every state---it is there, they just need to test enough deer to find it. Darren

I agree 100% Darren......you are spot on!

This seems obvious to us, but why hasn't the public wondered why there have been three times as many PA free-range deer test positive as captive deer, even though farms are testing the heck out of their deer and the Game Commission only tests a small percentage? And only AFTER a farmed deeer tests postive? How many free-range deer would have tested positive over the years (assuming we've been told the truth that these are the first) if they tested a substantial number, and would they still have blamed deer farmers?

why not file a lawsuit against the state of PA for thier wild animals infecting the captive livestock with CWD? LOL. That would make thier heads spin.

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why not file a lawsuit against the state of PA for thier wild animals infecting the captive livestock with CWD? LOL. That would make thier heads spin.

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One could wonder if that's why they waited to have a positive wild deer until after a farmed deer tested positive... reduce their liability.

We all need to support the ACA who I understand is looking into legal actions on all of our behalfs regarding all of the unfair regulations we are made to follow.....this is the only course of action that will break the cycle........support them however you can......I believe they can and will be our saving grace in this whole CWD mess........one can only hope and pray this is the case!

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We all need to support the ACA who I understand is looking into legal actions on all of our behalfs regarding all of the unfair regulations we are made to follow.....this is the only course of action that will break the cycle........support them however you can......I believe they can and will be our saving grace in this whole CWD mess........one can only hope and pray this is the case!

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True but would like to see or hear more from this camp as to what irons they have in the fire. Still no moving permits in Ny since the first Pa cwd case. Im sure there are others now!

Good points Robert.

Roger--Wayne???? Yoiu two are being unuausally quiet.

darren said:

It does not surprise me that CWD was found in PA in the wild population. I truly believe that if they were to test a reasonable percentage of wild deer that it would be found in every state and province. I think it would have been found in 1913 as well as 2013. Of course it wont be found where it is not looked for. I hunted in Colorado last year, if I am correct, I believe that the first case ever of CWD was identefied in Colo. in 1967. I saw no shortage of deer on my 2012 hunt and was able to be selective with the animal I harvested (I ate it too). Shouldnt this herd have died off from CWD by now? My opinion is that it is everywhere that cervids are, and has always been there. I believe it is a natural occurance that will always be. As for Missouri, obviosly it will most likely be found in captive herds, because we have to test 100% of our deaths, to comply with the monitoring rules, as compared to the state who tests less than 1 % of the wild whitetails killed in our state. My opinion is that we would be better off as an industry if CWD was found in every state---it is there, they just need to test enough deer to find it. Darren

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I think you have nailed it well Darren, and I could not agree more!!!

I've always thought what you have stated here to be true.



The ONLY decimation CWD has caused has been subsequent ONLY to the State's decision on how to handle CWD in a given area....which is to go in with sharpshooters and to rifle kill over bait every deer they possibly can, which results in the slaughter of healthy deer and an absolute significant depletion of the same...healthy deer!!

I've talked with some of the hunters here in Illinois where this has happened, and where there was a very substantial deer population....the deer are GONE!!!