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Our Industry, 8000 Deer Farmers, Only 300 Attend Auctions

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I was wondering why our industry has some 8,000 deer farmers and on any given year why only 300 or so attend or opt to put something in an auction. That is a little more than 3%. Are there truly 8,000 deer farmers in the U.S.? Please give me your feedback as I am trying to figure out how we get more folks involved. The more involved, the louder the voice of our industry! Any suggestions would also be helpful.

Thank You

Eric Pinkston
 
Well with me bein new to this whole thing it almost seems like there are two different classes of auctions that cater to two different class of deer and farmers as the sale in indiana showed only the very best brought good money but then at the bigger sales they average like 15grand as you said.how hard is it to get a deer into your auction or say the pa sale?Is there a certin class of animal that is allowed at any sale like can a noname guy from ny put an animal in any sale he wants regardless of class or pedigree and how much $ it brings or is there class you have to meet?
 
Four Seasons you are missing my point. The same guys that put deer in the PA Sale or Midwest Select were in the Sale this last weekend or have been in the past. I have sold deer for almost all of them.
 
We need all deer breeders to get involved, submit deer to all of the auctions, and become part of the big group that as Tim Condict says "Are the ones trying to build our industry and keep it strong." We need everyone's help and support. Also, if you are attending auctions you can keep up on what the industry is doing or where it is headed. This also helps to make your concerns be heard and puts a face with those concerns.



I challenge everyone to get a deer farmer they know that is not active in this industry to the NADeFA conference in March. If they make it to the conference I think they would love it. Get some one you know involved again, or bring someone you know that would like to become involved in deer farming.
 
Mabey my bad as i didnt get a catalog for the sale yesterday in indiana but i dont believe i saw the walks,ainsworth,grizzlys,independence,browning,strawser,whitetail santuary at this sale it seemed like just alot of:good:deer with some real good ones with some farmers that are just tryin to move some deer and not to many of the real great breeders but i must say i didnt watch to whole sale so i could have missed some!
 
Four Seasons

Here is the deal. If you look at the Chupps sale, Top 30 or Midwest Select or PA Deer Sale (of which are the largest sales in the country) you have a very large pool of consignments to choose from. There is a reason all of these sale are very strong. They are full of the very best deer and that is what draws the very large crowds to these events. In turn that makes our industry stronger. All of the auctions could take every lot that gets submitted but we would be there for a week. It would take that long to sale all of them. Even the biggest deer farms can only make to so many auctions. With that said they choose to enter the auctions that help them capture the largest crowds and the biggest venue. It is all about marketing to the greatest potential pool of buyers.
 
Midwest fair enough but whats the bottom line on who gets in the auction or not who makes the call.You say get involved and im sure some want to but as they say you have to play with the big dogs if you want to be a big dog.I realize what you say is true lots of deer to sell so lots of time to sell them.I guess i just need to know what the protocal is to get in if there is one.
 
The protocol? Fill out a consignment form and send it in. We always try and get at least one consignment in each sale from everybody. The only exception is the Midwest Select and that is because the pool of consignments is so large. This year alone we had 139 consignors for 75 positions, and ended up taking 81 positions to try and get a few more folks involved.

Four Seasons I wish every lot would bring $15,000 for everyone. But if you follow any sale that is not the case. We have a sale coming up March 5-6th in Columbus, Ohio. There are a variety of genetics in that auction. My point of this thread was how can we get more folks involved in the industry not how to get deer into the auctions. You have to crawl before you can walk. Submit something to an auction or NADeFA and see if it does not feel good to be involved!
 
Midwest fair enough i will meet you in ohio and at the auctions and hopefully i will have some new farmers following me but i hope they can keep up.I see on the other poststhat there is quite a few of us new guys are headin that way!!!!
 
Sounds great Four Seasons. You can see my avatar picture. I am the short bald guy. If you see me please stop me and say HI! Look forward to meeting you and the new guys that are 20 feet behind you. (LOL)
 
Midwest Deer where is the best place to find out what auctions are coming up? By the time we find out there is an auction it is to late to put anything in there to sale.
 
Tall tines, just on more reason to attend all the events that you can so you can stay informed. Give me a call 660.825.2006 or Jerry Campbell 847.778.8327. We will be glad to help you with any auctions that are coming up not just ours.

The PA Deer Breeders Sale will be Sept, 10-11th, 2010

The North/South All American is currently Scheduled for Sept 24-25th, 2010




We have another sale on Oct 8-9th, 2010 but are not sure of all of the details yet!



Thanks

Eric Pinkston
 
I type slow so there will be more posts before I get done making my post I would guess.



The best way to learn what it takes to have animals "good enough" to make the larger sales is to attend as many sales as you can. Take notes, jot down all the sale prices, take notes on what was said in the front of the room like, will rebreed, or guarantees on fawns or whatever. All those things help with the final sale price. But foremost is the pedigree of the animal or how it is bred.

As was said you can't take a really good pedigreed doe to a sale and breed her to ol' 3 leg and get top money. Now a days the bar has been raised so high you might not get in the sale with that doe bred to ol' 3 leg in the first place.



Like it or not people pedigrees matter in the breeding market. This isn't only about what grows big deer. It is about marketing and who you know AND who knows YOU.



Over the past few years I and and a friend of mine would talk about this deer stuff. Breeding, feed, medicines, semen, auctions, and the like. I distinctly recall during one talk about 2 years ago when my friend said and I quote... "Guys like McQuaig, Billy Sage, the Walk's and those guys aren't ever going to buy from guys like us. Our market is the little guys who are trying to build a good herd like we are."

Now when he said that I was a little turned off by that. I felt kinda down and hurt by it. I felt I was spending good money and making good decisions with my breeding program, and my purchases. I felt I had put a ton of research and thought into each step I was making over the years. I truly believed I had not only a good doe herd, but an exceptional one. (Small in numbers but very high quality) I had raised some really nice bucks. (keep in mind this discussion I am referring to took place about 2 years ago) I had sent some 200" boys to the hunting ranch we are partners in. I had grown a 170" yearling. (again, keep in mind we were only breeding about 4 does each year back then) My point is I felt we were doing well all things considered. But now my friend says we would never sell to guys like the big dogs.



Well, I am proud to say that since then we grew some more good bucks. I attended many sales auctions, state meetings, and NADEFA meetings. I participated in the fly-in to Washington D.C. and I contribute a fair amount on these forums. I have always tried to help anyone that asked for my help through calls, emails, and this forum. In other words I was active. In the past 2 years I have got my name out there more than ever before. 2 years ago I made the decision to not only be serious with my breeding but my marketing as well. This past summer we were lucky enough to have produced a pretty special buck. My years of planning paid off with a buck with a good amount of antler on his head, and a pedigree that is deep, productive, and made up of blood that has a history of holding its value in the industry. So this past July I got real serious about my marketing. I attended the first auction ever held in OK and took along video of my buck along with his pedigree and pictures. I showed everyone I could corner long enough to get them to watch it. I followed that trip up with trips to the Ohio Trophy and Breeder auction, Indy Mid America sale, the Chupps sale, the Top 30 sale, the Midwest Select sale, and I took a trip to other states in late summer making farm visits. My only regret was not going to more sales like down in TX. Well that will change this next season. I will see ya down there Henry:)



What did all this do for me?

I sold semen from my latest big boy to Dave McQuaig, Craig Crystal, Billy Sage, Jake Yoder, Vern Yoder, and several other quality deer growers. I was also approached by several people with interest in buying my buck or half of him.

None of this is meant to brag. I am proud, but this is only meant to help others and encourage others to try. I hate that some get on this forum and try and run down those who have worked hard and built up their business. And in the process they discourage others from trying to be a success with their own farms.

I am here to say that if you try and make good choices you too can sell to the big dogs like Dave McQuaig and Billy Sage. (And no, not a single straw was given to a big name breeder to get them to use my semen. I did give a couple of straws to 2 different farms because I choose to. No offense to them, but they are not big dogs in the industry. I was just being nice is all.)



To those who choose to be negative and run others down, like a friend of mine says, PISS OFF!
 
Mike, I will be at the EASTERN OHIO SALE................Hope to meet you! :)

I'm sharing a booth with my friend Dave from Locust Creek Whitetails a deer farmer who has been at it for awhile and now wants to move up the ladder. Like many others just has ? and just likes to talk deer and knows he has to step it up to move up! The same as ANYONE! And I say to you and all the other DEER FARMERS....New Or Old .......Need Help,Got ?.....BRING IT ON!!!! ;)
 
Roger, You think you type SLOW! but you are right those "BIG DOGS" They can feel the heat from the rest of the tree pissers out here who have them in thier sights! They know every breeder out there wants to be in the top spot! so my point is to go far you gotta look far,far far, down the road like Roger said get a plan stick to your plan,market your farm,your deer,your NAME and EVERYTHING you do BLOW YOUR OWN HORN Because till you make some noise its tough to get noticed ( unless your built like me and they cant see around ya !:D) Roger and Eric are right its alot about name recognition! Its not any different for Kellogs corn flakes to Wally World. Stay positive and belive in yourself and market youself and EVERY thing about your farm! And visit the Big Dogs farms, Stay on thier radar and keep them on yours and you may not clik with them all but you will be surprised how many notice you and your hard work and DON'T run them down for thiers! Because you will only get out of it what you put into it!!! And always REMBER what i feel is one of the most important things about the BIG DOGS they are just like talent scouts! don't ever kid yourself about that they are always looking for the next big STAR on the HORIZON so they can stay astep ahead of the pack! So one more thing before i put my soap box up. The view form the back of the pack NEVER changes all you will EVER see from the back is the ASSHOLES OF THE ONES OUT IN FRONT OF YOU!!!!! SO TO THOSE OF YOU WHO CHOOSE TO STAY IN THE BACK.............IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE VIEW FIND A NEW GEAR AND LEARN TO PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
"The view form the back of the pack NEVER changes all you will EVER see from the back is the ASSHOLES OF THE ONES OUT IN FRONT OF YOU!!!!! SO TO THOSE OF YOU WHO CHOOSE TO STAY IN THE BACK.............IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE VIEW FIND A NEW GEAR AND LEARN TO PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "



Great advice and well said!!! :D
 
Traci Carnell said:
"The view form the back of the pack NEVER changes all you will EVER see from the back is the ASSHOLES OF THE ONES OUT IN FRONT OF YOU!!!!! SO TO THOSE OF YOU WHO CHOOSE TO STAY IN THE BACK.............IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE VIEW FIND A NEW GEAR AND LEARN TO PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "



Great advice and well said!!! :D



Love it!!! That's my mindset in a nutshell. Not only that, but I'm actually happy to see others succeed in this industry! How can you not be happy and excited to see someone make money, have fun, and enjoy themselves with whitetail deer??? For most of us doing this it's a DREAM come true! It takes some serious effort and hustle to be a success in anything in life, but if you love whitetails as much as most of us do... it doesn't hardly seem like work most times.
 
I want to thank all the people who have the foresight to put on all these deer auctions. It has helped expand this industry greatly. How ever I personally feel some of the auctions are getting to complicated with all the promises made by sellers to their buyers. I have heard of some of the deals extending well over a year.

What happened to the good Ol days when you purchased something and after it was paid for you took it home and it was now your responsibility.

Just my opinion

Keep up the good work
 
Just to give my excuse. It is just to hard for me and my family to travel to these distant sales(wifes condition, those that know me understand). I try to watch all I can on the net though. I am still building my herd, and holding a full time job. When a sell starts on Friday, I just cant attend. Living in southern Oklahoma, I would have to leave two days earlier. I have just now reached five years CWD monitored which held me back(daughters got attached to our first deer, could not sell). Our deerfarm after six years is still not completly paying for itself yet. Luckily, my dad has a cattle operation that keeps us going. I can say we are on our way, we have raised a pretty good buck, and have some AI does now so things will look up from here. I feel after this next years AI, we should be swinging for the fence, FINALLY!



I do try to help ALL I can on these forums and I hope its appreciated.