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Our Industry, 8000 Deer Farmers, Only 300 Attend Auctions

Just like Reed we are in a similar boat, still building. Family and funding is limited and better spent on the herd at this time. We do attend as many auctions as possible. For those who have never attended any auction I would recommend going for a few important reasons.

1.Pictures don't do most of these deer justice.

2.Pictures don't do most of these deer justice.

3.Pictures don't do most of these deer justice.

4.You will get to meet a lot of farmers face to face.

5.There is always something to learn at every sale.

6.Its just a fun to experience.
 
Hey Paul,



Did you mention Pictures don't do most of these deer justice? :0)



That's why everyone should go to as many as they can. Can't wait for NADEFA, should be some incredible deer there!!!
 
I feel the same way, you Must go to these sales not only to watch auction prices, but to meet these great people who have made this industry what it is today. We are also new to the industry but we attend every single sale possible to get our face out there and meet new and old deer farmers. This year we convinced a local farm that has been in this industry for over 15 years and is really clueless on what the market has to offer, to go to NADeFa convention. We are positive that they will be impressed, as we are at every sale!! See you all there!!

Ryan Kennen
 
I agree it will benefit everyone that goes. When i first started going to the Northern Auctions i didn't know anyone. I have made a lot of great friends and learned a tremendous amount of information from these great people in the industry. You learn prices, pedigress, production, and trends by attending. I would encourage anyone that can to attend the Nadefa conference that offers great seminars and a auction also.



Thanks to the great people and friends in the Industry i have met,

Will Ainsworth
 
KennenNorthernWhitetails said:
I feel the same way, you Must go to these sales not only to watch auction prices, but to meet these great people who have made this industry what it is today. We are also new to the industry but we attend every single sale possible to get our face out there and meet new and old deer farmers. This year we convinced a local farm that has been in this industry for over 15 years and is really clueless on what the market has to offer, to go to NADeFa convention. We are positive that they will be impressed, as we are at every sale!! See you all there!!

Ryan Kennen



Ryan, it is always nice to see you at the sales. We need more WI folks going to the sales and seeing what is out there.
 
WRW_2 said:
Hey Paul,



Did you mention Pictures don't do most of these deer justice? :0)



That's why everyone should go to as many as they can. Can't wait for NADEFA, should be some incredible deer there!!!



Hey Mark, be sure and stop by the booth at NADEFA. I think I will have mints and Slim Jim's again, back by popular demand:) I know Greg Listle will be looking for the mints again:p
 
Midwest Deer Sales said:
I was wondering why our industry has some 8,000 deer farmers and on any given year why only 300 or so attend or opt to put something in an auction. That is a little more than 3%. Are there truly 8,000 deer farmers in the U.S.? Please give me your feedback as I am trying to figure out how we get more folks involved. The more involved, the louder the voice of our industry! Any suggestions would also be helpful.

Thank You

Eric Pinkston



Hi Eric,

This is a really good question and I will be speaking from the side of the "other 7700 deer farmers" that do not attend or opt to put animals in auctions.



I think there are many reasons but the most important is the bottleneck effect. Let me explain.



I know of and have spoken to many folks that have submitted animals but were not excepted, only to then attend the auctions to find out that lesser quality animals made the grade from a "big name". This upsets people and reinforces the fact that a name game deeply surrounds the auctions. This sets up for a huge bottleneck by only a select few consigning.



Yet another reason for the poor attendance could be that the majority (7700 deer farmers) realize the reality of this industry and refuse to look through the same kaleidoscope as the 300 whom do. You basically got 300 deer farmers buying from one another. The new folks coming in look at these auction prices, fall for the trap and then become trapped themselves behind the bottleneck. This in turn quickly increases the number of people who do not attend or cannot consign due to the name game reasons already stated above.



We all know money is also an important issue to the other 7700 deer farmers. Most of these farmers raise shooter breeding stock and when they go to an auction with the intent of purchasing a $3500 deer, it actually ends up costing them close to $5,000 after they consider all the traveling, lodging and food expenses incurred to purchase that "auction select" animal. Then on top of that, they still need to spend another several hundred dollars transporting the animal to their farm. Now a person has close to $5500 invested in a $3500 select auction deer. So basically in a nut shell it ends up costing them unjustifiably by attending and purchasing animals from the the "select auctions". $2,000 will go a long way in paying a feed bill or purchasing semen to upgrade their own stock and with a better ROI.



Let's talk a little about the 3% who do attend and consign to the auctions. Say they consign a doe that sells for $3,500. Now lets figure in the expenses incurred to attend the auction, advertise, pay for booth space, food, travel expense, lodging, etc. $500 for a booth space, another $1000+ for print design, booth design and advertising, $250 travel expense, $300 lodging, $200 food expense and $100 misc.



It is pretty hard for most to justify spending close to $2500 to sell a deer for $3,500 when they already get $3000-$4000 off the farm for the same deer. At least from what I can tell, this is how the "other 97%" that do not attend auctions are making a very good go of it. It is the reality of the deer business and the numbers you stated clearly speak for themselves, IMO.



As an industry, we should be focused on promoting the 7700 instead of the 300.



I know a lot of people in the 97% crowd are thinking and want to say this very same thing but are worried about hurting their chances to get in the 3% crowd. At the end of the day, when it's all said and done, your deer will sell themselves if you are doing a good job at producing what the other 97% of deer farms want, while allowing them too, to make money on their investments.









Just a point of view from the 97% crowd.







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John you gave us a lot to think about. What I liked best. You gave your opinion attacking a problem not attacking a person. Wish this was the case all the time on here.
 
Thats what i wanted to say in a round about way exactly but not good at this typeing and thinking at same time thing very well said that is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
 
A-men John, I have been rasing deer since 2005, I have meet great people in Mi that raise deer. I went Top 30 in 2004. I have not been to any other auctions or conferences other than the ones in Mich. I work full time 55 hrs a week and raise deer after that. I am not a auction buyer or seller. I am in the farm equip business and I stay clear of them also. I have seen many a people burnt big time when buying on auctions. I would prefer to go to the farm and see the animal and also see what kind of operation is being run. Just my opinion I'am going to the NADeFA conference.
 
Very well stated John. That is the feed back I am looking for. There is just one small problem in your comments. You or no one else can meet all of the folks that attend auctions or even get to know all of them if you do not attend at least one auctions in your area. It would be impossible to travel to every state to see them all. John I agree auctions are not for everyone. My point is that if what you say is true,why do I have folks that call me every day and say i have "x" number of animals I need to move and can't find anyone to buy them. What do we as an industry say to them then. In your words I guess this is what you would say,"There are a lot of things you could do, but just don't attend those darn auctions." No John that is not what I am asking here. I am not here to defend or disagree with what folks like or don't like about any auction service. What I am asking is how do these folks, that have deer to sell and can't, find an outlet to sell their animals but they do not attend auctions where 100% of the audience is in the deer buying market.

I am not here trying to boost our auction company or even trying to get new folks to send me their consignments. If I wanted more consignments I would just ask for them. We do not have a problem getting folks to send in consignments for a sale. What I am asking is when an auction is close to your area, why is there not 1,000 or 2,000 people there. I am not asking them to even buy anything in this forum. I am asking why are folks not there trying to learn more about their industry and the folks that live near and around them. I am truly looking for answers for the small guys in this industry. I am not looking for some cynical answer from someone that thinks they are braver than anyone else here to give me the answer you just posted John.

This is exactly the type of cynicism that turns off the small guy before he even gets a word in edge wise. John not everyone travels all over the country AI'ing deer and knows 100's of other farmers. You have a different set of credentials than most John.

Now would you please stop and look at the question and give me another answer. I am looking to help this industry grow and prosper. I am looking for forward thinking, and not what if's or has been's. If you have a good point or suggestion please post it on here. If you just want to give me the same old song and dance I here everyday, then please don't reply.

I feel that any deer farmer looking to broaden his resources and does not attend at least the auctions in his area is making a huge misstep. I am not just talking about our auctions, I am talking about all auctions big, small or indifferent. State auctions, state organizational meetings, and the NADeFA's Conference.

John and Rough Country how many deer did you sell off the farm last year? I will bet anyone that if they attend an auction and do nothing more than just stay until the auction starts and then leave, they can go home with more leads and contacts than they could have gotten in 2 yrs if they had not attended an auction at all. Please tell me I am wrong.

John don't take this as an attack, it is not, and no one else should see it that way. I am looking for ways to get more folks involved in the industry. By asking these questions, I ask you the deer farmers on here, industry leaders, for new and innovative ways we can all help each other. I just find it hard to believe that an auction of any sort is not the best way to make contacts and long lasting relationships in the deer breeding world, especially when the folks attending these auctions are 100% in the buying mood! A built in customer base. Marketing 101 says, "Sell to those that want to buy."
 
If you are looking to help the industry then i suggest you target the public and sell more hunts. The bottom line is hunting preserves that is were all of are money comes from if we keep bringing in new people to raise deer and don't have a good end market then we are going to just keep flooding the whole market and it will all crash. If things continue the way they are it won't be long until many will be forced out with big loses,but who cares if your the big guy on top putting money in your pocket while you can . Maybe we should start auctioning off hunts to the public to the public to support all the new guys getting in.
 
Virgil, I agree. I am not talking about bringing in new deer farmers, I am addressing the new ones that already have deer. If you attend function for the Whitetail Industry, there are maybe 3 or 4 states functions you can attend around you and NADeFA, (which every good deer farmer should do). I am saying get out to all the events you are capable of attending and meet more folks and learn more about the industry. If we could get every one to attend more events we would all become stronger. Last year there were some 20 auctions or maybe more. That is a lot of potential people to market too! These kind of events are where people can be heard by their constituants and form a plan and make progress. All of us arguing is not gonna get it done. We need people to come out in the masses if they really love this industry, and the upcoming NADeFA confernece is a great place to start.

Virgil I am bringing someone to the NADeFA conference. I hope you are too, as well as all of the other folks on here that read these posts! United we stand, divided we fall. It is our decision as an industry.
 
Auctions are fun place to see many good displays and meet many people i do agree just hate seeing that new guy spending his hard earned money nowing he's probally going to lose his but in the long run unless we as a industry start putting more focus on are end market(selling hunts). Yes i am goin to try and make it to nadefa and if i do i will be sure to bring a friend or two along.
 
John I understand your point. But attending an auction doesn't mean you have to buy or sell anything but rather for the education. Its worth attending just to see and ask questions from the vendors. I feel the cost of the trip is money well spent.
 
Some times I feel we as an industry loose focus on the real reason we all need to unite.

I hear all about the "Big Guy" all of the time, and many times that term is used as a crutch to make ourselves feel better because of some of the wrong decision we have made ourselves.

There was a "Big Guy" before the "Big Guy" and before that "Big Guy" and before That "Big Guy" there was still another "Big Guy". They were all small guys just like us before they were labeled a "Big Guy".

Do any of us think that being the "Big Guy" would be any different than being just a small guy? I know of many of the "Big Guys" that go to auctions and spend a lot more than they take home and they sold 10x's more $$$ than the small guy. In the end the "Big Guy" contributes just as much as the small guy and most times than not, probably MORE!
 
I think Midwest Whitetail Deer Sales supporting Keith Warren Show is great for the Industry. I believe some of the luster of auctions as been lost by the sheer number of auctions out there. Most people have a full time job and are luckyif they can attend one auction a year.

I think it important that the auction company does stuff that is beneficial/educational for the producers and hunting preserves. There needs to be stuff to draw them there other than the auction.

For example...seminars...I know Sam James did a marketing/preserve talk several years ago at the TOp 30 and it was a big hit. Educational seminars on deer farming. These are things that would help to draw people in, not giveaways.

Eric, You are doing a good job and keep up the good work. You want what is best for the industry or you wouldn;t be on here trying to figure out how to make it better.



Will
 
I would have to agree. Education is the key and I would love to go to a seminar on marketing a preserve by someone who has successfully done it. It is mch less costly to learn from someone elses mistakes by only doing things that have worked.
 

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