Per label instructions, I give it SC, 5cc for a preventative, 10cc for a treatment, which is the label doses for kids/lambs.
Please help! Questions about bloat in fawns
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I personally would watch giving Fusogaurd right at birth...
It can make them sore and lethargic....
Just my thoughts...Look into everything...
It can make them sore and lethargic....
Just my thoughts...Look into everything...
Bloat can be caused by many different things.... While feeding goat milk, I rarely see it like I used to feeding replacer. Before giving all kinds of antibiotics and meds I give 2 cc Therabloat and a tube of Target paste if they look bloated for 2 feedings in a row and it almost always does the trick. My old vet told me that true bloat can be determined by thumping their abdomen and listening for a hollow air sound in combination with the fact that their left side will be noticeably larger than their right.
I agree that if you are dealing with Clostridium, the treatments mentioned are appropriate. I don't think we see Clostridium in OK yet like other parts of the country are struggling with but will reference back this post if we ever do.
I agree that if you are dealing with Clostridium, the treatments mentioned are appropriate. I don't think we see Clostridium in OK yet like other parts of the country are struggling with but will reference back this post if we ever do.
Thanks everyone for you help!!! I love the forums and all the people on it. So helpful!
This is a really great article that Maggie found. Some good information here.
http://www.merricks.com/tech_bloat.htm
http://www.merricks.com/tech_bloat.htm
160goldstar said:
Yesterday, I wrote a post relating to two of our fawns that died within the last week. Not sure if they died of bloat; we think it's colstridium, but we're waiting on an necropsy (sp??). But, today, our vet told us to give the six remaining fawns two ccs CD & T booster shots and six ccs of anti-toxin, which we did. But, out of the six, one looks kind of sick. He doesn't walk around much...and just wants to lay down. Do you have any advice as far as giving more anti-toxin? We're wondering if we should give him another shot tonight...or maybe wait until the morning...or maybe we'll try calling the vet again tomorrow morning. Any advice is appreciated. BTW: Not sure exactly how much our fawns weigh...probably anywhere between fifteen and thirty pounds. The one just laying around is on the lighter side. All of them are around ten weeks old, or so.
anytime you guys suspect bloat thum on there rumen if it sounds like a drum it has excessive air ( bloat) If caught early drench them with baking soda and water. I see bloat in my bottle fed baby goats all the time it can happen anytime their diet chages quickly and basicly there is different flora to break down different types of food. If their feed changes drastacly there isnt enough of the proper type of flora to digest it quick enough so it ferments and causes gas. If you are bottle feeding formula keep in a small pen and give them free choice baking soda. Slowly introduce them on feed and turn in the pasture on dry days after they have been fed a bottle so they dont gorge themselves on clover. Hold off on wet days or early morning wet pasture increases fermentation as well. Increase there pasture time weekly untill you know they can handle it. If you have a baby that is down and doesnt want to get up TUBE THEM to release the air and then drench with baking soda. Since I have followed these steps I havnt lost a bottle baby goat yet. I don't breed deer yet but there digestive system is identical so it should work the same with them.
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You can get a tube similar to a syphon from your vet that if bloated you slide down thier throat and it relieves the pressure similar to a pop off valve! Good Luck ...........it is a horrible feeling when it happens!
160goldstar said:
Penicillin orally?? I'm no vet but to think about that for a second...... penicillin kills bacteria right?? A deer needs bacteria (or bugs) in the stomach to digest.... so you kill this bac. daily?? Why would you do this orally?
Our recipe for bloat has been as soon as it starts Back off the formula a bit and start putting baby gas drops in the bottle everytime you feed, it has worked on the two fawns that we have tried it on but it does not work over night!! it takes a couple days but always seems to work for us.
I can tell you that 2 years ago I had a fawn so sick with bloat he could not raise his head. Gave him 10cc C&D anti-toxin per Robbie Peterson's advice and I believe penicillin as well. Today I walked in the pen just today and scratched this deer's ears. Had thought he was a gonner for sure. Thanks again Robbie! Oh...and we used gas drops last year as well and I think it does help some.
Smoking_44 said:
sorry havent ben on in a while. You use a drench gun ( actuall name from farm supply store) it looks like a big syringe with a long angled tube. You fill with baking soda and water and stick it between their back teeth and their cheek. and feed it to them If you just try squirting it in the back of their throat they can asperate. by doing it slowly they will swallow it and not choke. If you do it to fast it will get blown back into your face and you will be drenched with whatever you had in it. LOL
S&A Whitetails said:
S&A... Yes Penicillin does kill bacteria,and the animal does have scours for the next few days after. When you have an animal with bad bloat,you dont have much time to save it,but I have had animals with very bad bloat, that where completely deflated several hours after the Penicillin treatment. It has worked successfully every time.
in emergency situations, you can pass a red rubber feeding tube to decompress the rumen, also malachon drops can be used just like in infants with colic(t dropper full per bottle-0.6cc), bloat can come from many reasons- over feeding-distending the rumen and causing the muscle to stretch preventing normal movemnet of the rumen and gut (like your leg gaing to sleep when you sit indian-style. Pressure on the nerves from gas colic is painful and further decreases movemnt. I have actually seen fawns with prolapsed rumens from over feeding- not good repsonsders.. Hope this helps, God bless
I have just found your site and am relieved and worried at the same time. I am caring for an 8 week old born-in-the-wild fawn who was orphaned at 1 week from all estimates. I called the vet today as he was coughing and spit up foam after eating two times in the past two days (he is on diluted goat milk from a bowl and free ranging in my yard. He also has been getting a small amount of mashed ripe papaya for the past week. He loves it. (I live in St. John, USVI and there are lots of wild deer here, 3 bucks routinely jump my fence to come in the yard as it is dry season now). The vet came this morning and he is on 1/2 ml penicillin for a week given subcutaneously. He seems a bit bloated and after reading so much I am worried that I am not doing enough to address the bloat and that the papaya was too much for his developing digestive system. I thumped his tummy and it did sound a bit like a drum and is quite firm. He is active and bright eyed, though resting now and had a temperature of 100.5 F this morning. I have stimulated him and he has peed and pooped though not a lot. I don't have access to baby gas until maybe tomorrow but do have on Pepsid Complete tablet. Should I use that? And would it be better to have him fast for the night? He usually would have more goat milk around 10 pm.