They are VERY easy to deal with! My vet sends a script for 15 kits at a time. I simply call and get the number of kits I need and they send it to my house. I've moved hundreds of deer with BAM, it's the best drug for sedation I've ever used.
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Mark you say its best to fast the deer before sedating, my question is I have my bucks in pens that have lots of grazing. I can remove all grains and corn. Will grazing cause any problems when sedating, because I have no small pen to put him in. My vet will be here Tuesday to walk us through the darting process we have never darted before.
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TWG my pens are the same way....lots of graze.....the best you can do is just take them off the feed that you give them.......they are going to still graze and theirs nothing you can do about that......but the less that is in their stomach the better......just make sure when you sedate them that their head is always higher than their stomach this way gravity won't allow the food to come up into their esophagus and allow them to breath the stuff into their lungs......hope this helps......
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I was taught the opposite on head placement. I always position the deer with the head lower so if the do regurgitate the acids will flow out of the mouth and not try to go back down. It is when the acid tries to go back down that the deer is at risk.
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Well I certainly don't want to tell someone the wrong way......I was always with the understanding that you wanted to try to get them as close to a natural position as if they were laying down on their own......and that you always wanted their body lower than their head........can we hear what others were taught? I will be putting down quite a few deer this weekend and want to be certain to do it right.. I have never heard of having the head lower than the stomach.....to me this would increase the chances of the stomach contents entering their throat and that is when they are at risk of getting it into their lungs....this is just how I have always been taught and it has worked well to date......how do others do it?
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I do the same as Dennis. Sternal position is best. I try to lean them up against the fence or a wall to keep them from rolling more on there side.
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When i took safe-capture a couple years ago we were always told to get them left sternal, which was based on the layout of body. Left side is the air way and right goes to the stomach. I did some work with the state of WI last fall on their herd study and they didnt even put the deer sternal. Simply laid they down and someone got to hold the head. I dont know if i agreed with that, still would keep them left sternal. Why fix what isnt broken right?
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It is very expensive and very decieving. They sell the kit that has enough drug to knock out an average of 8 deer but only enough reversal to wake up about 6 deer so you have drug left over that you cant use. Average cost is about 40.00 per knockdown. Average cost using Telazol/Rompum is about 15.00.
the price is probably more like half that 40.00 in real use....I feel that you can use less BAM than they recommend because of the mg of Domitor in the BAM. 2cc of BAM(recommended dose for a buck) has 19mg of Domitor, twice the mgs I've used for years to sedate a 180# buck(7-10mg for surgery).
I darted a 190# buck using 1cc of the BAM, knocked him lights out. Gave him 1cc Ketamine and did surgery on him for 1 hour. Reversed and up in 5 minutes.
I darted a 120# buck with .5ccBAM, down and out, sawed antlers and medicated. Reversed and up in 6 minutes
I darted a 100# buck with .5cc BAM, down and out same as above. Reversed and up in 4 minutes.
Darted another buck, 4 year old and 140 #(tame) with .5ccBAM. Too drunk to walk, cut antlers and medicated, reversed still standing.
and I know of NO deer killed using BAM. Try saying that about Rompum or any other sedation drug. What is ONE dead deer worth????
I darted a 190# buck using 1cc of the BAM, knocked him lights out. Gave him 1cc Ketamine and did surgery on him for 1 hour. Reversed and up in 5 minutes.
I darted a 120# buck with .5ccBAM, down and out, sawed antlers and medicated. Reversed and up in 6 minutes
I darted a 100# buck with .5cc BAM, down and out same as above. Reversed and up in 4 minutes.
Darted another buck, 4 year old and 140 #(tame) with .5ccBAM. Too drunk to walk, cut antlers and medicated, reversed still standing.
and I know of NO deer killed using BAM. Try saying that about Rompum or any other sedation drug. What is ONE dead deer worth????
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I certainly think I'm going to give the BAM a try after losing one of my best breeders last week ........
drenaline said:
$15? Not around here it's not. We are well over $100 per bottle of telazol, and then you have to add xylazine and tolazoline to that. I don't really have anything to lose by trying BAM. I wish we could still do it for $15.
The cost to sedate a buck with BAM is 40.00, a doe is 30.00, a fawn is 10.00. The kit comes with more than enough reversal to wake up your deer! There is nothing deceiving about BAM, simply a far safer and effective way to sedate your animals!