I have been hearing of guys selling shooter bucks really cheap. You guys need to hold your price up to cover feed cost. If you start selling your bucks cheap then that becomes the norm and you we not be able to stay in. Set your bucks at a fair price and stick with it.
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That's the laws of supply & demand for you. More than likely you have to many preserves that went under over the last year or two and now too many farms are left competing w/each other.
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Yup and lets keep using sexed semen among other things and none of us will have to worry about selling any of our bucks. To many ranches use sexed semen and raise enough of their own bucks along with the ranches going out of business......Well look at the big picture i guess. Sure hope im wrong on this one!!
Yeah...and then there are still some in the industry that keep PROMOTING ''new deer farmers''...and that doesn't help anybody at this point, except those promoting it...which happen to be the farmers that are in the breeder class selling genetics...and the ones holding the auctions selling the same.
God forbid some of you guys will have to resolve to just raising shooter bucks for a period of time.
I made this statement nearly a year ago and was jumped on...so go ahead fellas...jump on this one...cause I'm ready for ya
God forbid some of you guys will have to resolve to just raising shooter bucks for a period of time.
I made this statement nearly a year ago and was jumped on...so go ahead fellas...jump on this one...cause I'm ready for ya
I only had one 3 year old this year, was not a monster was just over 150" 5x5 typical. Was only offered in the 300.00 range for him. So as bad as I hated to do it I sold him to a hunter and had him shot right here for a lot more money but still less than that buck would have cost the hunter in a preserve. May do the same next year. There is not a shortage of hunter's willing to shoot a deer in a small encosure if they can save a bit of cash. At least you can recover all of the feed cost on the smaller buck's.
Buck's number's should be a lot lower next year, or at least in this area. Many animal's were and are being lost to EHD.
Buck's number's should be a lot lower next year, or at least in this area. Many animal's were and are being lost to EHD.
Wow, offered 300 dollars?? I'm very new to this and don't know pricing....but that seems crazy. Where I live you aren't allowed to sell hunts or let someone shoot your deer, so I am thinking of focusing on farm tours etc, as my farm is in an area where there is a ton of interest in just being able to view a whitetail deer. VERY few farms anywhere even close to me. This post reminds me a bit of how things go with my construction business....you get the odd guy who is semi retired or well off, so he does jobs for half of what he should charge...thus giving the impression that the average guy giving a fair price is over charging. It doesn't really affect my business, but I know others who have been affected
Got to do what you got to do RLA....I don't blame you a bit.....I have heard of a lot of people doing this and the preserves are not going to like it a bit......but what is a guy to do when he can't even get back what he has in raising an animal.....got to pay the bills somehow......
Derek said:
This buck's downfall was his inside spread, he was only 14 inch but he had 12+ inch 2's and he didnt even look that wide on the hoof. Go figure his sire was over 28 inside at 3 and a monster typical.
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I'm not trying to get into anyone's "business", but I wouldn't be discussing such things on a public forum. I believe in everyone's property rights, but let's not hand our adversaries ammunition on a silver platter.
Mark, that is mean! If you were not so far away I would bite you. Lol Really, it is tempting. But, I can understand. I hope that I can Earn yours and the others' Respect.
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QUOTE=Sandridge Whitetails;73617]Yeah...and then there are still some in the industry that keep PROMOTING ''new deer farmers''...and that doesn't help anybody at this point, except those promoting it...which happen to be the farmers that are in the breeder class selling genetics...and the ones holding the actions selling the same.
God forbid some of you guys will have to resolve to just raising shooter bucks for a period of time.
I made this statement nearly a year ago and was jumped on...so go ahead fellas...jump on this one...cause I'm ready for ya[/QUOTE]
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QUOTE=Sandridge Whitetails;73617]Yeah...and then there are still some in the industry that keep PROMOTING ''new deer farmers''...and that doesn't help anybody at this point, except those promoting it...which happen to be the farmers that are in the breeder class selling genetics...and the ones holding the actions selling the same.
God forbid some of you guys will have to resolve to just raising shooter bucks for a period of time.
I made this statement nearly a year ago and was jumped on...so go ahead fellas...jump on this one...cause I'm ready for ya[/QUOTE]
Yeah Michael I agree....and I was thinking the same thing with the Golden Marlin conversation on another thread but lots of people don't seem to care....
I've done a lot of talking to people the last few months while trying to get started on my own and from what I've gathered if you don't have existing relationships w/preserves it's going to be a little though at times. Tough to the point where the previous poster had to do in selling to a hunter instead of a preserve. If you don't have a business relationship you need a niche and that may be one of them while this economy figures itself out.
Brian, i dont know where your located but if you raise pretty big frame deer the preserves will fight over your deer! You won't have any problems finding someone to buy your bucks. I buy from the same people every year because they breed for the look that I like !
kurthumphrey said:
You're last sentence pretty much proves what I was saying. Which is in the first sentence of my previous post.
brianb said:
You buy from the same people every year, you have a relationship built up, for someone w/o that relationship it's a lot harder and they need to find a niche until they can get a relationship. Go look at the classified section of this forum, you see a lot more shooters for sale and only a handful of people posting about wanting shooters.
It's a bad economy, preserves and farms have both gone under, the initial post of this entire thread is about farms competing w/each other and prices going down to the point where one can barely makes break even money let alone a profit.
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There were countless posts and emails looking for shooters last year in November and December, so obviously there is a disconnect between "some" deer farmers and getting their product out to the preserves. What Kurt said is completely true... if you've been smart enough in your breeding program to consistently build big, huge framed deer with wide spreads then you should have no problem selling your deer.
The problem is not selling them for some people.......the problem I believe is the price they are getting offered for them. Feed prices, fuel, medications for our Whitetails are all sky rocketing and the prices for the animals themselves are dropping out drastically......now I'm not complaining as we all are experiencing the same thing......but I don't blame people for doing what they got to do to stay afloat.......just my opinion....
brianb - Very true and very well said!
RLA - I don't blame you a bit. I've done the same thing before...last year, a few years ago, and I'll do it again this year if the need arises.
Michael - In RLA's defense, he didn't say how small...he just said small. Highlighting what he said on this 'public forum' by labeling it as ''ammunition on a silver platter'' only increased the potential for the danger you expressed. Maybe a private message would have been a better idea.
And I do not believe ''What Kurt said is completely true...''. In fact I know it not to be ''completely'' true.
Are 22-24 inch spreads with 30 inch beams framey enough on clean typical bucks that score 190 to 200?
Now I'm sure there are pockets around the country where things are not as bad as they are in other places as it pertains to selling deer for fair prices. And if you're lucky enough to be in one of these pockets, with big framey deer, and have that relationship with a buyer or buyers that brianb spoke of, then you're probably ok yet. And hopefully that ''relationship'' you have with your buyer is strong enough that when prices are cheaper down the road, or across the country, that he'll stick with you and remember who's been taking care of his needs in the past, and he of yours...and not leave ya hanging!
RLA - I don't blame you a bit. I've done the same thing before...last year, a few years ago, and I'll do it again this year if the need arises.
Michael - In RLA's defense, he didn't say how small...he just said small. Highlighting what he said on this 'public forum' by labeling it as ''ammunition on a silver platter'' only increased the potential for the danger you expressed. Maybe a private message would have been a better idea.
And I do not believe ''What Kurt said is completely true...''. In fact I know it not to be ''completely'' true.
Are 22-24 inch spreads with 30 inch beams framey enough on clean typical bucks that score 190 to 200?
Now I'm sure there are pockets around the country where things are not as bad as they are in other places as it pertains to selling deer for fair prices. And if you're lucky enough to be in one of these pockets, with big framey deer, and have that relationship with a buyer or buyers that brianb spoke of, then you're probably ok yet. And hopefully that ''relationship'' you have with your buyer is strong enough that when prices are cheaper down the road, or across the country, that he'll stick with you and remember who's been taking care of his needs in the past, and he of yours...and not leave ya hanging!
Please dont resort to shooting bucks out of your pen. It is not what we want for the future of the industry. There is a demand for good bucks. Give me a call and i will help you sell your bucks for a fair price.
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