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What states are not accepting pa deer even with full certified herds and no where near the cwd zone?
States NOT accepting PA deer
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Indiana
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*******, PA
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Blair County, PA
I heard ohio is "temporary" but I was told temporary could be good while and the person who told me that is very credible
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Blair County, PA
The way I understand from dept of ag. You need to get permission to drive through any of those states before doing so. So even if there is a state that accepts from us it can all be shut down when they tell you that you cant transport through. And on ohio. I was recently told that the temporary was going to be untill we have had our new rules in effect for a time long enough to weed out the "possibility" of another infected farm to pop up. So in my opinion going off all that. Who can we sell to other than in state. And now im running into people in state that wont buy from my county because they found it in the wild. There are quite a bit of "big" and little farms in my county and in bordering ones. Thats baisicslly got us selling stockers and thats it. Just because everyone is running scared. Im to a point where after I get the doe I have bought to really strengthen my herd. I am really considering going closed herd and double fencing next summer is on the radar.
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The way I understand from dept of ag. You need to get permission to drive through any of those states before doing so. So even if there is a state that accepts from us it can all be shut down when they tell you that you cant transport through. And on ohio. I was recently told that the temporary was going to be untill we have had our new rules in effect for a time long enough to weed out the "possibility" of another infected farm to pop up. So in my opinion going off all that. Who can we sell to other than in state. And now im running into people in state that wont buy from my county because they found it in the wild. There are quite a bit of "big" and little farms in my county and in bordering ones. Thats baisicslly got us selling stockers and thats it. Just because everyone is running scared. Im to a point where after I get the doe I have bought to really strengthen my herd. I am really considering going closed herd and double fencing next summer is on the radar.
The unfortunate part about double fencing is it is not recognized by the state of PA any different than your standard fencing now.
The way I understand from dept of ag. You need to get permission to drive through any of those states before doing so. So even if there is a state that accepts from us it can all be shut down when they tell you that you cant transport through. And on ohio. I was recently told that the temporary was going to be untill we have had our new rules in effect for a time long enough to weed out the "possibility" of another infected farm to pop up. So in my opinion going off all that. Who can we sell to other than in state. And now im running into people in state that wont buy from my county because they found it in the wild. There are quite a bit of "big" and little farms in my county and in bordering ones. Thats baisicslly got us selling stockers and thats it. Just because everyone is running scared. Im to a point where after I get the doe I have bought to really strengthen my herd. I am really considering going closed herd and double fencing next summer is on the radar.
The unfortunate part about double fencing is it is not recognized by the state of PA any different than your standard fencing now.
I have heard of nothing that would keep anyone from hauling deer through any state. In fact, the CWD rule and standards preclude any state from hindering movement through their state.
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Blair County, PA
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The unfortunate part about double fencing is it is not recognized by the state of PA any different than your standard fencing now.
Very true, Still about the only kind of peace of mind you can do from the wild deer.
The unfortunate part about double fencing is it is not recognized by the state of PA any different than your standard fencing now.
Very true, Still about the only kind of peace of mind you can do from the wild deer.
Pa needs to close its borders as well till this gets sorted out. In my opinion this would be the only fair thing to do. No deer out no deer in!
There are plenty of deer in pa for hunting preserves to by from in state.
There are plenty of deer in pa for hunting preserves to by from in state.
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cental Pennsylvania
Virgil, we sort of are closed right now aren't we? Who is accepting our deer? I haven't been paying attention much since I went to a monitored herd, I am no longer permitted to sell out of our state anyway, but when I talked with my ag lady she never mentioned a state that does allow our deer to come in. It seems our ag is pushing for us all to go monitored, just makes their job easier which I understand. I think it will be a while, if ever, that we will be able to move to certain states, Especially since there was CWD discovered on another farm, and two more wild deer this past year.
Virgil. I agree and kinda disagree. I would love to sell to in state buyers. The problem there is no preserves wanna pay for what a deer is worth. I have yet to sell a deer but a close friend has sold or atleast tried to sell to instate buyers. They offered $2000 less than what the deer sold for to an out of state buyer. But the preserve in pa still wanted the same price for a hunter to come harvest that buck. Why should us as growers take less and the preserve still charge the same?
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Virgil. I agree and kinda disagree. I would love to sell to in state buyers. The problem there is no preserves wanna pay for what a deer is worth. I have yet to sell a deer but a close friend has sold or atleast tried to sell to instate buyers. They offered $2000 less than what the deer sold for to an out of state buyer. But the preserve in pa still wanted the same price for a hunter to come harvest that buck. Why should us as growers take less and the preserve still charge the same?
Farmers could change that action if everybody worked together.Of course its much harder to do that in a state that has over 1000 deer farms and ranches.
Virgil, Be careful for what you ask for. If they shut your border down they will never reopen them. They say up here its a 5 year deal to see what CWD does or does not do. Yeah OK...To think they will say..Oh we were wrong on this and are going to reopen the trade with other states! Dont believe that will ever happen myself!
Virgil. I agree and kinda disagree. I would love to sell to in state buyers. The problem there is no preserves wanna pay for what a deer is worth. I have yet to sell a deer but a close friend has sold or atleast tried to sell to instate buyers. They offered $2000 less than what the deer sold for to an out of state buyer. But the preserve in pa still wanted the same price for a hunter to come harvest that buck. Why should us as growers take less and the preserve still charge the same?
Farmers could change that action if everybody worked together.Of course its much harder to do that in a state that has over 1000 deer farms and ranches.
Virgil, Be careful for what you ask for. If they shut your border down they will never reopen them. They say up here its a 5 year deal to see what CWD does or does not do. Yeah OK...To think they will say..Oh we were wrong on this and are going to reopen the trade with other states! Dont believe that will ever happen myself!
[quote name="Four Seasons Whitetails" post="96087" timestamp="1408020794"]
Farmers could change that action if everybody worked together.Of course its much harder to do that in a state that has over 1000 deer farms and ranches.
I agree 100%. In my area there are atleast 75 deer in 1 hour drive from me that I know of. Probly way more.
No way possible to talk to all them and convince them to hold their deer for better prices. I just heard of a group of bucks between 150 and 200 inches being sold for $1500 each. Ouch!!!! All 2 and 3 year olds...
Farmers could change that action if everybody worked together.Of course its much harder to do that in a state that has over 1000 deer farms and ranches.
I agree 100%. In my area there are atleast 75 deer in 1 hour drive from me that I know of. Probly way more.
No way possible to talk to all them and convince them to hold their deer for better prices. I just heard of a group of bucks between 150 and 200 inches being sold for $1500 each. Ouch!!!! All 2 and 3 year olds...
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[quote name="Four Seasons Whitetails" post="96087" timestamp="1408020794"]
Farmers could change that action if everybody worked together.Of course its much harder to do that in a state that has over 1000 deer farms and ranches.
I agree 100%. In my area there are atleast 75 deer in 1 hour drive from me that I know of. Probly way more.
No way possible to talk to all them and convince them to hold their deer for better prices. I just heard of a group of bucks between 150 and 200 inches being sold for $1500 each. Ouch!!!! All 2 and 3 year olds...
It is interesting to look at these business cycles and see what is really going on. I personally have no problem selling a 150 class buck for $1500. But a 200 no dice there. These farms that do this will be out of business in a few years if not sooner or just continue to loose money which may be ok for them. But over the next few years there will be a decrease in farms selling animals and supply and demand is sure to kick in. The laws of economics are fixed, unless you are the US government!
[quote name="Four Seasons Whitetails" post="96087" timestamp="1408020794"]
Farmers could change that action if everybody worked together.Of course its much harder to do that in a state that has over 1000 deer farms and ranches.
I agree 100%. In my area there are atleast 75 deer in 1 hour drive from me that I know of. Probly way more.
No way possible to talk to all them and convince them to hold their deer for better prices. I just heard of a group of bucks between 150 and 200 inches being sold for $1500 each. Ouch!!!! All 2 and 3 year olds...
It is interesting to look at these business cycles and see what is really going on. I personally have no problem selling a 150 class buck for $1500. But a 200 no dice there. These farms that do this will be out of business in a few years if not sooner or just continue to loose money which may be ok for them. But over the next few years there will be a decrease in farms selling animals and supply and demand is sure to kick in. The laws of economics are fixed, unless you are the US government!
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Not sure I could be selling a 150 at 1500 when I could sell a buck fawn off the mom for 850! I guess a guy has to do whatever works for him!
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Not sure I could be selling a 150 at 1500 when I could sell a buck fawn off the mom for 850! I guess a guy has to do whatever works for him!
You are right. Some people like yourself can not sell a 150 for $1500. 80-90% of the people I know would be more than happy with that average on there 150 class deer. My point more specifically was to distinguish the price difference between the 150 and the 200 class animal. Historically 150's have been averaging between 1000-1750 depending on a variety of factors including but not limited to; time of year, overall look and location. There certainly could be a substantial difference in the pricing between what Four Seasons Whitetails gets for there 150 class bucks and the rest of the country. Kudos to you for your hard work and development of relationships with ranches that will pay you more.
Not sure I could be selling a 150 at 1500 when I could sell a buck fawn off the mom for 850! I guess a guy has to do whatever works for him!
You are right. Some people like yourself can not sell a 150 for $1500. 80-90% of the people I know would be more than happy with that average on there 150 class deer. My point more specifically was to distinguish the price difference between the 150 and the 200 class animal. Historically 150's have been averaging between 1000-1750 depending on a variety of factors including but not limited to; time of year, overall look and location. There certainly could be a substantial difference in the pricing between what Four Seasons Whitetails gets for there 150 class bucks and the rest of the country. Kudos to you for your hard work and development of relationships with ranches that will pay you more.