I did not clarify my earlier post. The first pic is of Toxic Shock @ 5. The second is of him @ age 3 yr. 312 7/8's. I have not scored his last set but im thinking 380"+ . David as far as i know this bloodline crosses well with flee's,waldvogel, and borntrager alike. New Image is anchored in this Pepsi line. Hope this helps and keep us posted on offspring! Jason DEER CREEK WHITETAILS