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micatil (sp) can do wonders for pneumonia along with that bronchial dialiator syrup ,can't remember the name.
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What, nobody wants to play but Curtis?
Okay, let me give you a situation and you tell me what you'd do. One day, you walk out to the pens and you see a doe that's bedded down, head and ears down. You walk in the pen and all the other deer move to far corner. this doe struggles to get up and wabbles around till she catches her balance. She slowly walks to the back of the pen and lays back down quickly. She looks thin and rib cage is showing. What do you do?
Okay, let me give you a situation and you tell me what you'd do. One day, you walk out to the pens and you see a doe that's bedded down, head and ears down. You walk in the pen and all the other deer move to far corner. this doe struggles to get up and wabbles around till she catches her balance. She slowly walks to the back of the pen and lays back down quickly. She looks thin and rib cage is showing. What do you do?
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It depends if you ...
1.worm regular you can rule that out if not start there...
2.does it act like its respiratory
3.was she stressed
4.was she kept from the feeder by other deer
5.water ...could she have been kept from that
6.Did she hit the fence anywhere...
ECT.ECT...
You have to treat it like a crime scene take everything in and see what happened before you can treat it...
I am a k-9 narcotic agent,an EMT, and I do K-9 search and rescue so I often need to figure out what happened before treating...You need to do the same.If I find a kid in the woods...FLUIDS ARE A SAFE BET...I wouldn't treat for pneumonia if it's 80...See why its hard to say...There is no quick fix for what caused the problem you need to figure that out...but there are things you can do to prolong life while you figure that out...
I hope that helps???
If you have a deer down and want to try and talk through give me a call I can't guarantee a fix but we can try.
1.worm regular you can rule that out if not start there...
2.does it act like its respiratory
3.was she stressed
4.was she kept from the feeder by other deer
5.water ...could she have been kept from that
6.Did she hit the fence anywhere...
ECT.ECT...
You have to treat it like a crime scene take everything in and see what happened before you can treat it...
I am a k-9 narcotic agent,an EMT, and I do K-9 search and rescue so I often need to figure out what happened before treating...You need to do the same.If I find a kid in the woods...FLUIDS ARE A SAFE BET...I wouldn't treat for pneumonia if it's 80...See why its hard to say...There is no quick fix for what caused the problem you need to figure that out...but there are things you can do to prolong life while you figure that out...
I hope that helps???
If you have a deer down and want to try and talk through give me a call I can't guarantee a fix but we can try.
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Ok I'll play ...First off you said she's thin so you know it's something she had for awhile . It's spring !! Big weather changes in spring along with hair coat changes , so I'd first think pneumonia . Is her nose wet ? Are there like water beads on it ? Is she laboring to breath and are her breaths faster than normal ? If she's an older doe thats been in this group for a while I'd think she's drinking and feeding but you never know . When I see an animal that weak from a respitory problem I give them LS-50 right in the windpipe !!! Yup get it right down in their lungs ! They cough and gag a bit but they recover fast too ! Just a thought !! Good Luck with her !!
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PaintedMeadowsBJs said:
Thanks, I'm not dealing with any of this, I'm just proposing a hypothetical situation that I've encountered in the past. Where you have a deer acting sick and weak out of the blue and you have no idea what it is. You do what you can to save her, but she's dead in the morning. Just curious if any of you have a certain cocktail you give a deer in this situation when she's already gone, you don't know what it is and you're just trying to throw a hail mary. Of course you do your best to try and pinpoint the problem, but sometimes it's just a mystery.
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Will a college near you do a Nacropsy...
Penn State only charges $59-$79 total they cover every base.
It may not save (that one) but you will know where to start next time.
Ours tested everything brain,kidney,liver,spleen,lung,heart,colon,small intestines,ect...
They did a rabies test,clostridium screen,Sallmonella,Coccidia count,lead test,Rumen PH,and eleven biopsy slides...I only had to pay $59.00
Penn State only charges $59-$79 total they cover every base.
It may not save (that one) but you will know where to start next time.
Ours tested everything brain,kidney,liver,spleen,lung,heart,colon,small intestines,ect...
They did a rabies test,clostridium screen,Sallmonella,Coccidia count,lead test,Rumen PH,and eleven biopsy slides...I only had to pay $59.00
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Penn State has a facility to drop off animals 24 hours a day 7 days a week ...
It is important to find out ahead of time I picked up an expensive deer and knew from the get go something was not right...after passing...
I rushed the deer down dropped it off and started getting results back Two days later.
It showed several very important things that could not have happened right away...
It helped to make me feel better that it wasn't something I did or could have fixed and it also helped reinforce that I should get a replacement deer(and them not have to wonder...)
It is important to find out ahead of time I picked up an expensive deer and knew from the get go something was not right...after passing...
I rushed the deer down dropped it off and started getting results back Two days later.
It showed several very important things that could not have happened right away...
It helped to make me feel better that it wasn't something I did or could have fixed and it also helped reinforce that I should get a replacement deer(and them not have to wonder...)
Steve - the TVMDL at A&M will do all of those tests, too. Problem is, they don't really have a base line for whitetails, and haven't been able to give me definitive answers in the past. They give back things like "non-specific enteritis" so all you know is there was a digestive tract infection, but you don't know what kind, therefore you don't know if gram positive or gram negative, so you don't know which antibiotics would have been effective.
I have seen what you describe, and not been able to save the deer. There just isn't enough clinical data out there, or if there is I haven't found it yet.
I have seen what you describe, and not been able to save the deer. There just isn't enough clinical data out there, or if there is I haven't found it yet.
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Robbie said:
Robbie, I recall a friend of mine telling me the same thing. He had taken deer to A&M in the past for testing and not gotten back any specific causes for death also. Seems like a lot of time and money for inconclusive results
