Robbie, Mitch mentioned heavy doses of penicillin and some one else mentioned penicillin, we talked about it on the phone maybe theres something to it. Who mentioned it before? You and Mitch can get a cookie! ZZ
I think I get a cookie too. This morning yet another fawn bloated to the size of a keg. We gave 5cc of Pen-G and 10cc of C&D Antitoxin (Mitch it wasn't A&D like I originally thought). The two were spaced a few hours apart. Within one hour of giving the antitoxin the bloat was totally gone. After consulting a few of the experts on the forum I believe it was the combination of the Pen-G and the Antitoxin that did the trick. Next time (hopefully there won't be a next time) I will administer them both together. Hope this can help someone else...
Thanks Liz, maybe we`er finding that link that we have been looking for. What just happened to you tells us a lot between the link to bloat and Clostridial perfringens. All of you that have lost a fawn to bloat make sure to have a Necropcy done to see the real cause. Liz just may have saved us all from looseing another fawn to what we all may have just wrote off as died from bloat. Keep us updated on the fawn Liz.
Awwww, man! I sneak off to one little 4th of July party, and I miss out on a cookie! Funny, we all get caught up in the fancy new drugs on the market, and good ole' tried and true penicillin just keeps producing results. I'll keep my bottle close, just in case there is a next time!
I am just starting, but have two fawns on bottles. We warm theirs and have had no problems with either.
Am having problems getting them to take pellets. If it's not in a bottle they just don't care for it. They will take the pellets if I hand feed them to them, but just ignore the pellets out in a plate. They are eating some grass, but the bottle is supreme.
Am having problems getting them to take pellets. If it's not in a bottle they just don't care for it. They will take the pellets if I hand feed them to them, but just ignore the pellets out in a plate. They are eating some grass, but the bottle is supreme.
Texas John said:
Cut back their milk intake from the bottle. They are being filled with milk so there is no reason to look for other food sources right now. By feeding them less milk they will go and browse more and search for food and will start eating more feed.
To get them started eating feed out of a pan I will put some feed in the pan when it is time for their bottles. Before they get their bottle I get a hand full of feed out of the pan and hold it just above the pan. As soon as I get a couple eating out of my hand I drop the rest of the feed out of my hand and back into the pan. Stand there with them a little bit let them nose around in the feed pan. Then you can give them their bottles. Do this for a couple of days and thats it.
Can anyone give me some advice on Therabloat? Can I put this in a milk bottle or only in water? Does this work on frothy bloat as well as simple gas? And what is the doseage?
Liz, the Covexin 8 has the C&D antitoxins in it. Can it be used with the Pen or should only the C&D be administered with the Pen? Thanks Jeff
Jeff, I gave the Covexin-8 as a vaccine and used the C&D as a treatment with the Pen when the deer bloated.
Covexin 8 is not an anti-toxin, it is the vaccine. You should treat a sick animal with the anti-toxin, and when the deer is healthy again, give the vaccine and booster as recommended by the manufacturer. C/D anti-toxin is available w/o an Rx from Jeffers and other online sources.
Just lost one today to bloat.......happened within three hours.......by the time I noticed him he was laying flat out and breathing short breaths.........rushed him to my vets and he died in their parking lot........of course it was my sons favorite fawn (seems to always work that way) anyhow, I have all the drugs needed I just didn't catch it in time......unfortunately can't be with the little guys 24/7 and just being gone 5 hours at the wrong time turned into a bad deal for this guy.........My concern is I do have two other fawns (one was a premie) anyhow, they look really bloated after eating their bottle........this has been going on for weeks now but since I lost one to bloat now I am concerned....the one I lost to bloat never looked this way but these two seem to always look very round bellied and it is really bad after they eat....do you think they should be dropped way back ontheir milk intake? Should i treat them with the c&d and Pen G? What are your thoughts?
First question dennis, did you open the fawn up and look at the intestines? This thread has some good info on the possiblities of bloat related to Clostrial perfringens. It`s important to find the cause. Too many times we just write off a death to bloat but is that the real cause? Not saying you could have done anything to catch this problem but it would have givin you some info to what we have been looking for. The common denominator between bloat and clostrial perfringens. One thing we do know is that death with perfringens is rapid. If a necropcy was done it would have givin you more insite to know what to do with the other fawns if there was a connection there to bloat and perfringens. Sorry about the little guy. I know it`s tough losing one.
I am so sorry for your loss and I know our children's pain makes it that much harder. None of my fawns showed any signs of bloating before the incident that killed them and like yours they were dead within hours. If it were me, to be on the safe side, I would re-vaccinate with Covexin-8. I have also had great luck with simethicone (infant gas drops) for the ones that always seem to be round and gassy after their bottle. I put it in each bottle with probiotics and it seems to do the trick. Best of luck.
Mitch,
Unfortunately I did not do the necropsy as I had to leave right away after this incident to coach my sons Allstar team.........i should have tried to put him in the fridge in the garage till i got home but he was a pretty big fawn.....I'm sorry folks i want to figure this bloat thing out too as it really is an aweful thing to witness not to mention that it seems to usually lead to death..........
Unfortunately I did not do the necropsy as I had to leave right away after this incident to coach my sons Allstar team.........i should have tried to put him in the fridge in the garage till i got home but he was a pretty big fawn.....I'm sorry folks i want to figure this bloat thing out too as it really is an aweful thing to witness not to mention that it seems to usually lead to death..........
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Robert,
the dosages depend upon if you are treating a sick fawn or just vaccinating against illness.
Simple vaccinations would be 2cc of the C&D antitoxin and no pen G
Treatment for a sick animal would be 5CC of C&D antitoxin and 2cc of Pen G.
Some people have recommended Covexin 8 also as a long term vaccination that can be given the same time as the C&D Antitoxin. Personally I prefer using Alpha 7. It doesn't require boosters as often as the covexin 8.
Good Luck !!
the dosages depend upon if you are treating a sick fawn or just vaccinating against illness.
Simple vaccinations would be 2cc of the C&D antitoxin and no pen G
Treatment for a sick animal would be 5CC of C&D antitoxin and 2cc of Pen G.
Some people have recommended Covexin 8 also as a long term vaccination that can be given the same time as the C&D Antitoxin. Personally I prefer using Alpha 7. It doesn't require boosters as often as the covexin 8.
Good Luck !!