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CWD Standards

Travis said:
Mike Kerry,

Exactly, you are right, wildlife needs to be out of the picture. Therefore we as an industry, should NOT approve the advancement of policy(program standards) that exempts wildlife agencies, do not bring parity to testing regulations and that also give wildlife a seat at the table to impose restrictions on us.



To follow your thoughts to conclusion, I am assuming you think these standards are flawed by this concept alone and will stand in opposition to advancing the them.



We have a long way to go on CWD reform that includes several steps. Stopping these flawed standards is step one.



Thanks,

Travis



I will stand behind the fact that we are farmers with farms and should be run by the Dept of Ag! If we are on a USDA report we are farmers!



That said...Even your Dept of Ag will hold you to higher standards and will still require Testing,Tagging and permits with cva's.



In our state they...The Ag Dept, Say...CWD will not come here on our watch!

DEC only has a problem because they are losing money by hunters hunting with us and not buying tags to try and find that one and only spike buck that is left on state land!
 
Dennis,

I would call your state leadership at the PDFA and ask them to support these efforts or even find out what their positions are. I for one am apposed to any regulation that would impede on my rights to private property and my liberty to conduct myself as a contributing member of the civil society.



The regulations in questions are onerous at best and have not one positive aspect to them. They are simply written, like almost all regulations, from unelected bureaucrats to slowly create an environment where the soul of a people is crushed to the point of giving up.



If we think for one second that these people have our best interests at heart or better yet any interest other than collecting power for themselves, we are a foolish bunch.



Rewrite these regs, to something that can be palatable for all.
 
Because the USDA will not give us compensation for our herd, we are forced into this contested case with our state. Can you afford to do the same should you be put in our shoes? We have spent THOUSANDS in our defense for compensation!! When our first positive was harvested there WAS indemnity by the USDA!! So WHY weren't we indemnified? Please read through this.



Just a few of our particular complaints with these Standards:



"If a producer does not follow the terms of the herd plan and CWD recurs in animals on the premises, the owner may be responsible for infecting other cervids and herds, and may be subject to any regulatory penalties by the State." Pg 30, CWD Standards



"(1.1) Herd Plan: CWD-Positive Herds

A. Whole Herd Depopulation With or Without Repopulation

1. Depopulation of the whole herd is the preferred option for response to CWD-positive herds.

2. CWD-positive and exposed animals that are depopulated must be tested and disposed of according to VS guidelines for CWD carcass disposal (Section B 2 and Appendix V of these Program Standards) and all applicable Federal, State, and local regulations.

3. Herd plans must also include a premises plan because of possible environmental contamination. Premises plans include cleaning and disinfecting actions, future land use in terms of restocking, maintenance of perimeter fencing to prevent ingress or egress of cervids, and the time period for surveillance before interstate animal movement is allowed if restocking occurs. The fencing must comply with any applicable State regulations and follow the guidance provided in these Program Standards. Based on studies referenced in Appendix II, APHIS recommends the perimeter fencing to be a minimum of 2.4 meters (8 feet) high.

4. Further herd plan guidelines are located in Appendix IV." Pg 31, CWD Standards



"In areas where CWD is not known to be present in free-ranging wild cervids, a second barrier is recommended that is adequate to prevent fence line contact of wild cervids with this exposed herd. Examples of barriers are described in Appendix II." Pg 31, CWD Standards



"A. Herd Plans for Trace-Forward Exposed Herds

1. APHIS recommends that exposed animals traced to a herd be removed and tested at the expense of the owner, the State, or both." Pg 32, CWD Standards



Trace-Back Exposed Herd

B. Herd Plans for Trace-Back Exposed Herds

1. The preferred action in herds identified as trace-back exposed is, in most cases, whole-herd depopulation and testing. However, if the epidemiological investigation is able to pinpoint the likely point of infection of the positive animal, depopulation of herds in which the animal resided before that point may not be necessary. If not already participating, these herds should be encouraged to enroll in the program.

Animals that moved from trace-back herds during the time the positive animal was in residence also should be traced. Pg. 33, CWD Standards



(1.5) Depopulation

Whole-herd depopulation and testing of all cervids on the premises is the preferred action to be taken in response to a positive herd. Depopulation activities will be at the cost of the owner, the State, or both. PEOPLE READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND IT! The USDA removes themselves from all responsibility!!!!! NO COMPENSATION PEOPLE!!!

Depopulation and testing may also be the preferred action for trace-forward exposed animals and trace-back herds that are epidemiologically implicated as source herds or exposed herds. Pg 34, CWD Standards
 
Not only are they going to recommend depopulation in all case, CWD exposed, traced forward and traced back, they are going to expect you and your state to be responsible for the expense.



Yes, You will be required, like us, to enter into a contested case with your state. Forcing you to continue feeding your animals, possibly put up a double fence and pay attorney fees to keep from getting a HUGE bill for testing and disposing of your negative and positive animals, losing all your investment and getting billed to do it!



Can YOU afford these new STANDARDS???
 
Rhonda........again I ask....( and thanks Josh for the heads up on talking to the PDfA state representatives)........what can we do as individuals to stop these standards from being passed.....are there numbers we should be calling?
 
If 99% of the cervids in the US are not held accountable for CWD testing and disposal, how can the USDA hold our 1% cervids behind fence 100% accountable for testing and disposal. Taking our property for five years and killing our animals?



At the end of the day, are these actions going to stop or slow the spread of CWD?
 
I just got this email and wanted to pass it on....



Recent Updates & Comments to Federal CWD Program Standards

Comments to Federal CWD Program Standards

By Laurie Seale - President of Whitetails of Wisconsin

*

I have been asked to respond to the federal CWD program standards and the federal CWD rules because of my years of involvement and knowledge of both documents.*

*

Here are the major negative issues associated with the program standards:

Allows USDA and state agencies to quarantine CWD farms (like the Brakke's) for 5 or more years without indemnification. *

Allows USDA and state agencies to quarantine trace back and trace forward farms for 5 or more years without indemnification.*

The program standards has included wording "suggesting" that states allow CWD exposed animals to move to terminal hunting facilities, but without any ability to force states to allow movement, we all know that the large majority of state agencies are not going to allow any exposed animals to move (Brakke case in Iowa a perfect example).*

USDA has not included any wording in the Program standards for indemnification.* This tells me that USDA has no intention of providing indemnification now or in the future leaving the breeders and the states to deal with the disease. *

Program standards state "if any trace back or trace forward animal is no longer available for testing (for example, a trace animal from a known positive herd died and was not tested), the trace back/trace forward herd could be quarantined up to 5 years."* This statement alone forces the cervid industry to test at 100% for fear of a trace back or trace forward.*

In several parts of the standards, farms will be forced into herd plans which can require long quarantine periods, double fencing, expensive clean up, maintaining fencing for up to 5 years even after depopulation, require testing of all mortalities regardless of age, future land use restrictions, etc.; all of this without indemnification.* HOW CAN THE INDUSTRY BUY INTO THE GOVERNMENT TELLING US WHAT TO DO WITH OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY?* If USDA or the states are providing indemnification for our animals with a signed herd plan, then and only then would the government have the right to place restrictions on our private property.

Program standards includes wording that if a producer does not follow a herd plan they could be held responsible for infecting other cervids.....this wording could open the door for lawsuits against producers if CWD is discovered in wild herds.

*

There are a number of other serious issues with the program standards, but those listed above are the most intrusive and have the greatest impact on producers.

*

The major problem I see with the current program standards document is USDA appears to be holding firm in the process and are writing the standards to be more stringent than the actual federal rule.* A document more stringent than the federal rules is not acceptable.*

*

Another major problem is the fact that the federal CWD program is an unfunded federal mandate no longer seen as an eradication program but instead a control program aimed at minimizing risk.* The program standards, on the other hand, are being written solely as an eradication program.* So, if the if* USDA has changed their direction of the program from eradication to a control program, why is USDA not writing the program standards as a control program?* If there was federal or state funding to run the program and USDA was offering indemnification for CWD infected or exposed herds, I don't believe producers would have a problem with an eradication policy.* Again, the program is an unfunded federal mandate and* 5 years of quarantine without indemnification is not acceptable.* Can any producer afford to be quarantined for any length of time?

*

We all need to empathize with Tom and Rhonda Brakke and put ourselves in their situation; is the way the Brakke's are being treated by their state government acceptable?* Would any of us be satisfied with 5 years of quarantine without indemnification or without movement of exposed animals to a terminal hunting ranch? The Brakke's own both a breeding herd and a hunting ranch, both of which are CWD exposed facilities. The state of Iowa will not allow them to depopulate their animals by hunting them. I think we all agree that this is not acceptable...not only is this not acceptable but this is America and the taking of one's livelihood and property without compensation is against the law. *

*

Legal council has stated that the program standards, as written, will lend a level of credibility to state agencies' actions regarding 5 years quarantine without indemnification.* Legal council also stated this would be especially true if a major cervidae group approved of such standards. This legal advice should tell all of us that we cannot accept this document as currently written!

*

Although the program standards working group have made several suggestions for the improvement of this document, these are ONLY suggestions.* Dr. Klein has repeatedly stated she cannot guarantee that these changes will ever be written into the final document because of public comment and we all know what they did to the federal rule after public comment...changes were made to the rule that were detrimental to producers....herein lies the risk to all of us.*

*

This document is designed to put producers out of business without compensation for our animals.* The trace backs and trace forwards are designed to shut down interstate movement or at least greatly hinder movement. *

*

We all need to think about the consequences of being involved in a trace back, trace forward or an actual CWD on our premises. There are serious consequences...just ask the Brakke's!

*

Many of you have heard me say numerous times, if you can't legislate an industry out of business, you regulate them out of business and it is obvious that this is the goal of some of the regulatory agencies.* If the federal CWD rule was really written to prevent the spread of CWD, why would USDA not hold wildlife agencies to the same standards? *

*

Laurie Seale

*
 
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/park-crews-at-wind-cave-Custer-state-park-prepare-for/article a717ca92-54c2-51e5-b1e0-ab3e21616e44.HTML



Please see the above link to get a visual on the "75-year-old" fence at Wind Cave. In the article they claim the fence to be in such disrepair condition. If the elk are so interested in jumping the fence as they suggest, they probably would not have problem with over population?



I wonder what would happen if we treated our CWD exposed animals the same as they did in Wind Cave?
 
I would like to see a letter like the one I forwarded earlier from all the State Orgs.! come on PA where is your letter!!
 
Thank you, Dennis. We, too, hope that we have all associations unite and share their concerns.



We must stand united in requiring the same accountability for the wild herds as the penned herds. Until we accomplish this, they only succeed in putting us out of business. We are hopeful that the industry leaders will be successful in asking the tough questions of the USDA and wildlife agencies.



The concern for spreading, disposing, and eradicating CWD should be on both parties, wildlife and penned.
 
You bet Rhonda......I can assure you if Pa does not stand up as they should towards this fight I will never support them again...that goes for NADefa as well.........it is that simple!!
 
ddwhitetails said:
You bet Rhonda......I can assure you if Pa does not stand up as they should towards this fight I will never support them again...that goes for NADefa as well.........it is that simple!!



If that ends up being the case you will have no need to support those groups!

Unless the start a new one for say...High fence sheep and goats!

We sure wont have whitetails!
 
Comments to Federal CWD Program Standards

Laurie Seale - President of Whitetails of Wisconsin



I have been asked to respond to the federal CWD program standards and the federal CWD rules because of my years of involvement and knowledge of both documents.



Here are the major negative issues associated with the program standards:

* Allows USDA and state agencies to quarantine CWD farms (like the Brakke’s) for 5 or more years without indemnification.

* Allows USDA and state agencies to quarantine trace back and trace forward farms for 5 or more years without indemnification.

* The program standards has included wording “suggesting” that states allow CWD exposed animals to move to terminal hunting facilities, but without any ability to force states to allow movement, we all know that the large majority of state agencies are not going to allow any exposed animals to move (Brakke case in Iowa a perfect example).

* USDA has not included any wording in the Program standards for indemnification. This tells me that USDA has no intention of providing indemnification now or in the future leaving the breeders and the states to deal with the disease.

* Program standards state “if any trace back or trace forward animal is no longer available for testing (for example, a trace animal from a known positive herd died and was not tested), the trace back/trace forward herd could be quarantined up to 5 years.” This statement alone forces the cervid industry to test at 100% for fear of a trace back or trace forward.

* In several parts of the standards, farms will be forced into herd plans which can require long quarantine periods, double fencing, expensive clean up, maintaining fencing for up to 5 years even after depopulation, require testing of all mortalities regardless of age, future land use restrictions, etc.; all of this without indemnification. HOW CAN THE INDUSTRY BUY INTO THE GOVERNMENT TELLING US WHAT TO DO WITH OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY? If USDA or the states are providing indemnification for our animals with a signed herd plan, then and only then would the government have the right to place restrictions on our private property.

* Program standards includes wording that if a producer does not follow a herd plan they could be held responsible for infecting other cervids…..this wording could open the door for lawsuits against producers if CWD is discovered in wild herds.



There are a number of other serious issues with the program standards, but those listed above are the most intrusive and have the greatest impact on producers.



The major problem I see with the current program standards document is USDA appears to be holding firm in the process and are writing the standards to be more stringent than the actual federal rule. A document more stringent than the federal rules is not acceptable.



Another major problem is the fact that the federal CWD program is an unfunded federal mandate no longer seen as an eradication program but instead a control program aimed at minimizing risk. The program standards, on the other hand, are being written solely as an eradication program. So, if the if USDA has changed their direction of the program from eradication to a control program, why is USDA not writing the program standards as a control program? If there was federal or state funding to run the program and USDA was offering indemnification for CWD infected or exposed herds, I don’t believe producers would have a problem with an eradication policy. Again, the program is an unfunded federal mandate and 5 years of quarantine without indemnification is not acceptable. Can any producer afford to be quarantined for any length of time?



We all need to empathize with Tom and Rhonda Brakke and put ourselves in their situation; is the way the Brakke’s are being treated by their state government acceptable? Would any of us be satisfied with 5 years of quarantine without indemnification or without movement of exposed animals to a terminal hunting ranch? The Brakke’s own both a breeding herd and a hunting ranch, both of which are CWD exposed facilities. The state of Iowa will not allow them to depopulate their animals by hunting them. I think we all agree that this is not acceptable…not only is this not acceptable but this is America and the taking of one’s livelihood and property without compensation is against the law.



Legal council has stated that the program standards, as written, will lend a level of credibility to state agencies’ actions regarding 5 years quarantine without indemnification. Legal council also stated this would be especially true if a major cervidae group approved of such standards. This legal advice should tell all of us that we cannot accept this document as currently written!



Although the program standards working group have made several suggestions for the improvement of this document, these are ONLY suggestions. Dr. Klein has repeatedly stated she cannot guarantee that these changes will ever be written into the final document because of public comment and we all know what they did to the federal rule after public comment…changes were made to the rule that were detrimental to producers….herein lies the risk to all of us.



This document is designed to put producers out of business without compensation for our animals. The trace backs and trace forwards are designed to shut down interstate movement or at least greatly hinder movement.



We all need to think about the consequences of being involved in a trace back, trace forward or an actual CWD on our premises. There are serious consequences…just ask the Brakke’s!



Many of you have heard me say numerous times, if you can’t legislate an industry out of business, you regulate them out of business and it is obvious that this is the goal of some of the regulatory agencies. If the federal CWD rule was really written to prevent the spread of CWD, why would USDA not hold wildlife agencies to the same standards?
 
Sickening to see the ranches selling out for fear of cwd and these crazy regulations! Folks we can't sit back and wait any longer.....time to fight..........or......we all tank......
 
ddwhitetails said:
Sickening to see the ranches selling out for fear of cwd and these crazy regulations! Folks we can't sit back and wait any longer.....time to fight..........or......we all tank......



Not sellin out here just yet but will now have a closed herd. Double fence and only breed in any new deer!
 
Mike,

Again the Feds and DNR win with the closed herd Idea. All a closed herd does is stop movement and trade. Win, Win for all the critics. Either we have an industry that works like cattle or we have no industry. It is time to ban together and work to stop these abusive rules. I personally would get rid of my elk and deer if the CWD regs are not written to help the industry as I see it we will have to get rid of them sooner or later. I guess I will be happy raising pets cause that is all we have if we loose this CWD fight.

I love the double talk we can't change the rules because the standards won't let that happen. Who the heck are they kidding they change rules and regs all the time to suit their agenda. We will have to put a suit against the CWD rules if they don't make them user friendly and give compensation for our industry.
 

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