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CWD Standards

Jack said:
Mike,

Again the Feds and DNR win with the closed herd Idea. All a closed herd does is stop movement and trade. Win, Win for all the critics. Either we have an industry that works like cattle or we have no industry. It is time to ban together and work to stop these abusive rules. I personally would get rid of my elk and deer if the CWD regs are not written to help the industry as I see it we will have to get rid of them sooner or later. I guess I will be happy raising pets cause that is all we have if we loose this CWD fight.

I love the double talk we can't change the rules because the standards won't let that happen. Who the heck are they kidding they change rules and regs all the time to suit their agenda. We will have to put a suit against the CWD rules if they don't make them user friendly and give compensation for our industry.



Jack, The closed herd idea is so i can sell my animals easier and that will give me less of a chance of my herd getting CWD from anywhere. I believe the rules need to be changed also and when they do i will still do the same. I can still do business (Sell) with a closed herd. I am only in this for the stocker market and i have enough good does to make plenty of 200plus inch 2 year olds. Thats where learning how to ai my own deer will come in handy. There are lots of guys out there with double fence now. Just a little better security for the farm and the deer. Plus that will open up some states to sales when they dont adopt the new rules and make there own...Like Ny has done!
 
As long as we have forward and backwards trace backs a closed herd is of little use!

How many deer have left P.A for example and gone to other states with no CWD in the last 5 years ?

And you have brought a deer in in the past that make up your current herd and had NO idea were that deer had been or his or her mom or dad had been in the past 5 years ? How many deer from Pennsylvania do you think have gone to Ohio,Indiana,Missouri,Oklahoma,Louisiana......ect. in the last 18 monhs alone not to mention the last 5 years.............And have left those states and gone to another after having fawns and been re-a/i'd and sold at auction or privately...............How large a circle would that be ? It's Russian Roulete to say the least!..............But The Feds can track a doe fawn down from 5 years ago from a positive,A cow with a positve for Mad Cow from Wisc. to Main. to Mo. and EVERY barn she slept in...................But CAN'T track down 11 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!!.................********!!



WE ALL HAVE DEER BOUGHT OR SOLD TO OR FROM A POSSIBLE,PROBABLE,EVENTUAL............................CWD POSITIVE! Time is NOT on OUR side WE are ALL on the CLOCK.............IT's NOT IF..................It's WHEN!



If you get caught in a trace back from a positive farm and they trace it back to you (Mike) and even though you have had a closed herd for the next 4 years...............yep YOUR TOAST!

The Trace back is the noose they will and are using to help choke us to our knees!



Folks if we don't change things SOON in this Industry............WE are @#%%^!........If You don't think so call and talk to the folks who feel they are on the bottom of the deer industry food chain............The folks who just want to raise deer,Who want to raise good shooters,Who want to have their Families involved,Who are NOT buying the big dollar semen,Who are happy selling their shooters and having alittle extra money in their pocket because this is HAS always been fun for them and their families..............



Well those folks Who make up the foundation of this business are BAILING OUT............Scared to death of What it would be like if they had a POSITIVE come back on their farm and DON'T have they money to fight or feed THEIR animals for 5 years! The same scary situation the Brakke's are facing right now!

These are the folks WHO are slowly being erroded by The Rules....The Regulations...Feed Prices.....EHD losses And the list goes on and on!



I know many of you won't get what I'm saying because WE just can't admit that we are disappearing from the landscape at an ALARMING rate!



If WE don't do SOMETHING to stop this VERY VERY SOON............. WE ...............May soon be Us..................Then YOU and ME and then..............ONLY .....YOU!
 
I agree 100% Wayne and know exactly what your talking about.......but we need to start making phone calls to the right people rather than posting the same things over and over on this thread....we need to pressure our State Orgs. To make sure they are supporting what we are saying........start making the calls tomorrow folks....I plan on making some calls myself........we need to get everyone on the same page fighting for the same cause! Wayne I am one of those many you talked about in your previous post.....I am hanging on by a thread.......and I think daily whether I want to bail out or fight for what I know is right........we need to fight folks.......make some calls please!
 
Whitetail Sanctuary said:
As long as we have forward and backwards trace backs a closed herd is of little use!

How many deer have left P.A for example and gone to other states with no CWD in the last 5 years ?

And you have brought a deer in in the past that make up your current herd and had NO idea were that deer had been or his or her mom or dad had been in the past 5 years ? How many deer from Pennsylvania do you think have gone to Ohio,Indiana,Missouri,Oklahoma,Louisiana......ect. in the last 18 monhs alone not to mention the last 5 years.............And have left those states and gone to another after having fawns and been re-a/i'd and sold at auction or privately...............How large a circle would that be ? It's Russian Roulete to say the least!..............But The Feds can track a doe fawn down from 5 years ago from a positive,A cow with a positve for Mad Cow from Wisc. to Main. to Mo. and EVERY barn she slept in...................But CAN'T track down 11 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!!.................********!!



WE ALL HAVE DEER BOUGHT OR SOLD TO OR FROM A POSSIBLE,PROBABLE,EVENTUAL............................CWD POSITIVE! Time is NOT on OUR side WE are ALL on the CLOCK.............IT's NOT IF..................It's WHEN!



If you get caught in a trace back from a positive farm and they trace it back to you (Mike) and even though you have had a closed herd for the next 4 years...............yep YOUR TOAST!

The Trace back is the noose they will and are using to help choke us to our knees!



Folks if we don't change things SOON in this Industry............WE are @#%%^!........If You don't think so call and talk to the folks who feel they are on the bottom of the deer industry food chain............The folks who just want to raise deer,Who want to raise good shooters,Who want to have their Families involved,Who are NOT buying the big dollar semen,Who are happy selling their shooters and having alittle extra money in their pocket because this is HAS always been fun for them and their families..............



Well those folks Who make up the foundation of this business are BAILING OUT............Scared to death of What it would be like if they had a POSITIVE come back on their farm and DON'T have they money to fight or feed THEIR animals for 5 years! The same scary situation the Brakke's are facing right now!

These are the folks WHO are slowly being erroded by The Rules....The Regulations...Feed Prices.....EHD losses And the list goes on and on!



I know many of you won't get what I'm saying because WE just can't admit that we are disappearing from the landscape at an ALARMING rate!



If WE don't do SOMETHING to stop this VERY VERY SOON............. WE ...............May soon be Us..................Then YOU and ME and then..............ONLY .....YOU!



This is VERY true and is possible. From what i have been told i have been lucky and bought off the right farms. They have cleared me from traces either way and i may even have a permit okie dokied to bring in a deer from a closed Ohio herd. If this is true and happens it will be my last untill the smoke clears. Up here we are out of business now untill your farm is cleared of all traces..Have been since Oct,2012. I just find it so strange that the state that found the last cases are still selling and buying...Doing Business.....And states next door are shut down! With no movement! ANYWHERE!!!
 
I am one of the people Wayne is talking about. It scares me to know how many deer I have sold and where they are now. I am selling out but that does not make me safe, but it will stop future chances.
 
Exactly, Mike! Maybe the USDA should change the TB Surveillance for cattleman, lets just require one herd in each state to be required to test, all other producers will be exempt! Now that would be getting a handle on TB.



If those testing find TB surely eradication will take care of the problem? That is how they are monitoring for CWD by only requiring our 1% to be tested/monitored.
 
I am still going through the CWD federal rules and found a comment that was made by an anti-game farmer....thought you might like to hear what this person had to say.

"Another commenter stated that all animals on game farms should be tested for CWD with any positive test resulting in complete herd eradication."

Obviously this person does not realize that if we tested our entire herds for CWD using the only approved test out there, all of our animals would already be dead! These types of folks live among us and they repopulate.
 
Laurie Seale said:
I am still going through the CWD federal rules and found a comment that was made by an anti-game farmer....thought you might like to hear what this person had to say.

"Another commenter stated that all animals on game farms should be tested for CWD with any positive test resulting in complete herd eradication."

Obviously this person does not realize that if we tested our entire herds for CWD using the only approved test out there, all of our animals would already be dead! These types of folks live among us and they repopulate.



Of course Laurie,These are the same Rocket Scientist that don't realize CWD is in the WILD deer in states that DON'T EVEN HAVE DEER FARMS!!
 

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